Security Council Aid (Kebir Blue)

I think I meet all the conditions for aid... my country is Yooperland. I would also like to point out that my country has a 0% corporate tax rate and a fast growing population. Thanks for the imput ad the aid if you feel I qualify.

I agree Matt, Yooperland looks like a great candidate for aid!

I have submitted an aid proposal for Yooperland. Please vote YES!

Thank You for the quick action Kevin, I appreciate it, I've been working hard for the last few weeks to develop my country reading the documentation and building up as fast as possible these additional funds will be a huge addition if I should receive them.

Xander Blaze has requested aid for "New Michigan". Xander meets all the aid conditions. Can another security council member please nominate him? Thanks!

I have proposed aid for "New Michigan". Please vote YES!

I'de like to propose aid for Patriots Nation. My growing country could use the financial support. I have a 0% corperation tax and a growing pop. I'de also like to point out I have only started 2 days ago and am kind of confused.

I have just one question. How do i remove secracy to the strategic and finacial index?

deadman -

You never turned it on . Your country meets the aid conditions. I already have an open proposal, but hopefully another Security Council member will nominate you.

This game is a little confusing at first. Don't hesitate to hunt out experienced players and ask questions. Once you get the hand of it, it can be addicting.

BTW - You should know that it is rare occassion that I would endorse aid for a country named, "Pat--"..."Patr--" Nevermind.

Kevin

I have entered proposal for "Patriots Nation". Go PATS!

Kevin, i do like other teams. The Steelers are probobly my second favorite team . I've just always liked the pats better. Go pats! (I hate the NYJ)

I failed to get the aid... outvoted in general voting 65-64... i appreciate the effort Kevin hopefully some corporations can help me out by investing in my country.

Already done so Matthew. A much better way of helping out a new/struggling player, IMHO.

TY to the corporations that have invested in Yooperland... more are welcomed, more workers on the way.

I see that both of the current resolutions are struggling right now. I can't say I really understand why. Both candidates are new players that are wanting to be productive members of KB. That's something we, as a community, should encourage. Any experienced player knows that in the big picture $5 trillion in aid is not a lot. It would simply give these new players a boost as they learn the game. And frankly, the alternative is to let the money pile up...we're at 400T so far...

Kevin

I believe that the proposal for my country lost in general voting. Not really sure though. Haven't checked it in a while.Last time i had checked it was loosing in general voting 7-13.


brainless as always,
deadman

now that i'm on KB i plan to vote yes for every single aid package i can. why not give aid to new and poor countries? sure you can say they need to learn the hard way, but just because you can learn the hard way doesnt mean its not better to get aid.

Thank you Alexander! In the last round of votes, both proposals were rejected. But they were close. One actually lost 29 to 29.

So my question to the community is how can we modify the conditions, at the top of this thread, to earn your vote? I am 100% behind changes that the community agrees with.

I feel confident the the vast majority of players agree that letting 400T pile up is worthless. So the issue becomes what qualifies a player to be "aid-worthy"?

I know there has been need vs. want discussions, but honestly, how many players really "need" aid? Not many, not enough to make a dent in the growing 400T. So that fact has shaped my personal view of using the aid to reward promising new players. But that doesn't mean my view is KB's view, actually, I guess it's pretty clear I'm off base. So, is there a way we can change the conditions so that we could make use of the large aid reserves?

I appreciate any comments!

Hi, Kevin -

I have not voted on these proposals for some time now. (Much earlier in this thread [Nov 27] I voiced some concerns and questions, to which John R responded aggressively and inappropriately, in my view, so I decided f*ck it.)

I'm not without sympathy for new players, and I think, generally speaking, giving aid is a good idea.

If I may offer a suggestion: I think that varying propsed amounts of aid introduces a troubling variable (e.g. why does one player warrant 3T and another 5T?) There might be more success were the award to be standardized. In this regard, I would suggest 3 or 4T, for no better reason than 5T seems excessive to me.

Best Regards -

Scott

Scott,

Thanks for replying.

Sometimes John R gets testy when he runs low on bananas...don't take it personally .

I agree that varying aid amounts can be messy. In the past, we actually just went off of what they requested. I think it does make more sense to move to a standardized amount. I would like to hear more thoughts on this.

Lastly, just a note to respond to you earlier post, I do think the aid conditions apply to all the countries in an empire, not just the country receiving aid (ie. secrecy should be removed in all countries).

King Dexter of Nullarbor and The Riverland here.

Like most of the new posters here, I only started a few weeks ago. Signed up proper last Saturday. I don't want any aid, but for some reason I seem to be heading that way. I made a common mistake and took a C3 already, made worse by over estimating how many weapons it'd require. Following many helpful hints from the forum, chat and private contact, I've sold off a lot of my offensive weapons, transfered defensive weapons where they're needed in the slave, lowered taxes and invited CEO's (thanks Scott). Selling weapons helped immediately and I guess the other measures take longer, but still getting by on beginner bonuses. Then the earthquake hit the neighboring slave. Got both. Like I said, I'd like to beat this without the aid but I don't like my chances without some education.

Dex.

May I suggest the standard aid package is 3T for country not currently suffer natural disaster and 4T for country suffers from major natural disaster?

We can go to 5T only if the Natural disaster is extreme and the player owns no more than 2 countries?

That sounds reasonable to me, Just Spock.

New Request!

Beo has requested aid for Tatooine. From the previous discussion, can a security council member please nominate him for $3 trillion in aid?

Also, here's the original message he sent me:

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Hi, im wondering if my country could be eligable for some 3T in finacial aid (I read the SC forum) in order to get it going properly. Atm Ive sold alot of military assets in order to get cash to invest in infrastructure etc, but some financial aid would enable a yet even better build up. Thanks /Tatoinne<!-/Quote-!>

I hate when people beg for money. Some of them act like the Security Council is just one big welfare office. There are allot of returning presidents that already ask for aid and got it in the past and now they’re asking for it again. How many times should a president get aid for his crap country? This is like what’s going on with GM. Government gave them bailout money, and still they fail to make a profit. And the government is going to give them another bailout. If a president already ask for aid and still runs the country into the ground, why give them any more money?

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I'm not sure about that statement. I'm sure there are some returning presidents, but what do you qualify as "a lot". And even if there are returning presidents, that doesn't mean they run crap countries. And why not help them get up and running again? We all know this game changes quickly, and there could certainly be drastic changes if the player was gone for any substantial amount of time.

I would say one president can only receive one aid with the exception of major natural disaster. Of course this is an honor system. However, the members of security council have many means of revenge if they have been fooled.