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metgredko
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07 Apr 2013 13:14Link
The notion of a global organization to codify a set of standards to be used by the larger, more powerful groups or individuals as a voluntary, self-imposed measure is something most can understand. It helps avoid needless conflict in cases where issues could be resolved towards a mutually beneficial conclusion. Even if it were just a venue to discuss potential flare ups before they turn hot may not have quite the extensive measure to prevent all-out conflict but likewise would go a long way in diffusing tension. Most games don't have one of these because they have regular resets with groups who actively recruit and seek to train new players. In short, it isn't necessary for them to have it and they're aided any way by the fact that most games are less complex which means less room for that subtle nuance. This one isn't like those. Being a persistent world means players remember a lot more and for a lot longer. If you get in a war here the d
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Antonio Cameron
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07 Apr 2013 17:01Link
no one finds you scary Hez, nor do they find Nluo scary. Don't tell me to go to war level three cause I wont and no not cause I am scared of you, because I am an economic country not a Military country.
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King Hezekiah II
All worlds
07 Apr 2013 18:16Link
Then shut your piehole Antonio.
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King Hezekiah II
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07 Apr 2013 18:26Link
metgredko, That was a very well thought out speech. I will listen to you. You see exactly what I was trying to do before I got side tracked by Hydra and BME. Also Hydra has essentially taken over the NLUO.
I think you are right on point in your assessment. I thank you for your input. Very well said, and I will take heed.
I think you are right on point in your assessment. I thank you for your input. Very well said, and I will take heed.
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Antonio Cameron
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07 Apr 2013 18:57Link
"Then shut your piehole Antonio"
makes no sense as a reply to what I said.
makes no sense as a reply to what I said.
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Serpent
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07 Apr 2013 19:22Link
<!-Quote-!>Quote:The notion of a global organization to codify a set of standards to be used by the larger, more powerful groups or individuals as a voluntary, self-imposed measure is something most can understand.<!-/Quote-!>
Understanding isn't the issue, agreeing with and enforcing is the issue.
<!-Quote-!>Quote:Simply put there's no logical reason that this organization with its stated goals should ever be seen as a threat by anyone.<!-/Quote-!>
Have you read the goals of this government? Its to control that which it doesn't have the right, authority and ability to do so.
It does however, have the right and authority (notice I didn't say ability) to rule or govern those that want to be governed or ruled by it. The majority of LU dosent care if some group of players of even group of feds d
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Josias
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07 Apr 2013 19:33Link
I'll tell you, it was never my intention, for hydra to take over.
that assumes thats what every one want. certainly some want that.
many would play another game, rather than play SimCountries version of "mother may I,"
in fact, in the last few years, with a highly restrictive war game, the entire game, itself, has dramatically suffered, as their are a fraction of the vets their was before war levels.
my issue with the NLUO, began by simply requesting the NLUO at least try to reach its goals, with ou
<!-Quote-!>Quote:The notion of a global organization to codify a set of standards to be used by the larger, more powerful groups or individuals as a voluntary, self-imposed measure is something most can understand. It helps avoid needless conflict in cases where issues could be resolved towards a mutually beneficial conclusion. -Met<!-/Quote-!>
that assumes thats what every one want. certainly some want that.
many would play another game, rather than play SimCountries version of "mother may I,"
in fact, in the last few years, with a highly restrictive war game, the entire game, itself, has dramatically suffered, as their are a fraction of the vets their was before war levels.
my issue with the NLUO, began by simply requesting the NLUO at least try to reach its goals, with ou
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Ian Cameron
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07 Apr 2013 21:08Link
I wouldn't trust Nluo with a penny much less my obedience.
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Ian Cameron
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07 Apr 2013 21:13Link
im going to give nick names based on avatars.
Josias is Crash cause avatar = crash test dummy.
lord lee is Blue ass cause he is blue and an ass.
Serpent is Gif snake cause his avatar is a gif of a snake.
Hez is dumb hat cause he has a hat and is dumb.
Talsiabeth is Ani cause her avatar is an animai character.
Josias is Crash cause avatar = crash test dummy.
lord lee is Blue ass cause he is blue and an ass.
Serpent is Gif snake cause his avatar is a gif of a snake.
Hez is dumb hat cause he has a hat and is dumb.
Talsiabeth is Ani cause her avatar is an animai character.
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Crafty
All worlds
07 Apr 2013 22:19Link
The very nature of this game (any game?) is a power struggle.
As a collection of players nluo don't have any ability so will not ever get anywhere. One or two may have half a clue as individuals, but that only applies to them when you look at them as individuals.
So, thanks for the laughs Lee and Hez et al but it's time for the final curtain to fall. Let Aries do what the original no loo idea was, and learn from him.
And of course Hez, I am waiting for the obligatory "shut your pie hole, meet me at WL3" stuff, but...I am at WL3 and I dont use WP, so...what you gonna about it?
As a collection of players nluo don't have any ability so will not ever get anywhere. One or two may have half a clue as individuals, but that only applies to them when you look at them as individuals.
So, thanks for the laughs Lee and Hez et al but it's time for the final curtain to fall. Let Aries do what the original no loo idea was, and learn from him.
And of course Hez, I am waiting for the obligatory "shut your pie hole, meet me at WL3" stuff, but...I am at WL3 and I dont use WP, so...what you gonna about it?
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Antonio Cameron
All worlds
07 Apr 2013 22:25Link
boot man *puts on black thug voice* GET EM!
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metgredko
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08 Apr 2013 11:32Link
<!-Quote-!>Quote:Understanding isn't the issue, agreeing with and enforcing is the issue.<!-/Quote-!>
I hadn't stated it was. That was merely a transition into the larger topic of what's necessary in order to properly run this type of organizations.
<!-Quote-!>Quote:Have you read the goals of this government? Its to control that which it doesn't have the right, authority and ability to do so.
It does however, have the right and authority (notice I didn't say ability) to rule or govern those that want to be governed or ruled by it. The majority of LU dosent care if some group of players of even group of feds decide to form some sort of pact or agreement and declare their love for one another. But the problem is when said gov/org/alliance says it has the powers to do so with others on LU.<!-/Quote-!>
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seven_devils
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08 Apr 2013 16:15Link
I think the organization is confusing and unclear. I'm still trying to figure out why SweetPea is leading a military faction of the NLUO against BME. If she and Hezzy want to declare war on new players, so be it. Then I will add Noob Basher to the repetoire of adjectives/names that have been bestowed upon these two players.
I and other federations such as Hydra and Sleeping Giants are trying to grow the game and teach new players.
I and other federations such as Hydra and Sleeping Giants are trying to grow the game and teach new players.
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King Hezekiah II
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08 Apr 2013 17:17Link
It is confusing and unclear because if you admitted you understood it, you would have no argument as to your fed-mates joining.
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Serpent
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08 Apr 2013 18:06Link
HaHa, sounds like brain washing to me!
Anybody want some Kool-Aid?
Anybody want some Kool-Aid?
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Josias
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08 Apr 2013 18:17Link
met, do to war levels, its not necessary to have an organization that forces compromise, in an unwanted war situation.
any player not wanting to be involved in the game, can remain at WL2. those that go over that...
past that, a group that creates some sanity, from an other wise never ending series of wars. well, the NLUO is the opposite of that. but thats not what i'm getting at. (after all, the most aggressive player in SC history remains unchecked by her own organization.)
when you have a social structure that creates peace, compromise, and communication, pasts its own members. either by military strength, or political influence. well, in the real world, thats what we want.
in a game. its like playing Risk, and having to ask your parents if you can attack your brother. It just doesn't encourage anything to happen, in fact it is the opposite...
stretch that out over time, and you&#
any player not wanting to be involved in the game, can remain at WL2. those that go over that...
past that, a group that creates some sanity, from an other wise never ending series of wars. well, the NLUO is the opposite of that. but thats not what i'm getting at. (after all, the most aggressive player in SC history remains unchecked by her own organization.)
when you have a social structure that creates peace, compromise, and communication, pasts its own members. either by military strength, or political influence. well, in the real world, thats what we want.
in a game. its like playing Risk, and having to ask your parents if you can attack your brother. It just doesn't encourage anything to happen, in fact it is the opposite...
stretch that out over time, and you&#
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King Hezekiah II
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08 Apr 2013 19:07Link
Metgredko is cutting through the spin, and is quite correct in all his posts in this thread. I think he should join the NLUO to help with its public image. All the things you have stated in conversing with the world leaders on this issue is very sobering. The original idea was to bring all feds who want to participate in the organization together in a federation congress to pass laws, discuss issues etc.. The Executive Administration was simply suppose to carry out those laws via war, security council, presidential boycotts, or through the International Criminal Court. Instead, the Executive Administration began to dictate to the federations the objectives instead of the other way around, and that is because of all of the spin, bad publicity, and I am sure some bad international politics on my side as the Secretary General. we have gotten away from the original intent, and that is because of the federations and their jocking for personal power within their
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Edgar
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08 Apr 2013 19:46Link
The above post from hez is appropriately located in a thread titled - Biggest Load of BS.
Other than that it is just more propaganda, double speak and threats if you dare to speak up straight from the playbook of every wannabe dictator throughout history. Speaking of which most dictators use body doubles which reminds me - hez, say hello to the not really the pope VI for me.
Other than that it is just more propaganda, double speak and threats if you dare to speak up straight from the playbook of every wannabe dictator throughout history. Speaking of which most dictators use body doubles which reminds me - hez, say hello to the not really the pope VI for me.
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darcus
All worlds
08 Apr 2013 22:19Link
No one will have anything against NLUO if you have keep your things for yourself, but you make post on forum even when you farted.
So please explain me and to everyone else how should no one notice or comment you post about "NLUO gov entire world" when you spam forum each day
for me your post are like in this nazi quote
"If you repeat a lie many times, people are bound to start believing it. "
So why are all this spams for provocation on NO nluo members ?
So that you can say that they participate in nluo if they comment your post ?
Insted of writing on forum i will suggest you that you focus more on developing your country and enterpirse.
So please explain me and to everyone else how should no one notice or comment you post about "NLUO gov entire world" when you spam forum each day
for me your post are like in this nazi quote
"If you repeat a lie many times, people are bound to start believing it. "
So why are all this spams for provocation on NO nluo members ?
So that you can say that they participate in nluo if they comment your post ?
Insted of writing on forum i will suggest you that you focus more on developing your country and enterpirse.
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WildStallion
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09 Apr 2013 16:08Link
Why don't you just form a new government called MYSTERIOUS PRY CLAN - well it is an anagram of Simcountry Players
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metgredko
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10 Apr 2013 08:34Link
<!-Quote-!>Quote:met, do to war levels, its not necessary to have an organization that forces compromise, in an unwanted situation<!-/Quote-!>
It should be noted in my posts I've stressed the point of self-imposed limitations; voluntary participation. The only way to truly force compromise is by coercion which is not something I generally endorse.
Compromise though is never necessary; it's simply the smart thing to do in most cases. The better leaders, better players, won't often feel it necessary to compromise because they pick and choose their battles while having a level of preparedness others fear. Whether it's because of their knowledge of the mechanics, resources at their disposal or being adept at the game of politics they'll find there's more room for them to negotiate with a much more desirable outcome than fighting a war. Those who find these things l
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Josias
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10 Apr 2013 16:14Link
well, i can't really justify the length of post to go back point for point, but well said.
so i'll pick one point at random. semi-random
so i'll pick one point at random. semi-random
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the next thing that will happen, is the (very few,) players left with skill will be vertual gods. And unstoppable.
Then we end up with war levels to protect the former social leader...
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Several years ago there was a browser based space game. It had thousands of players and who knows how many alliances. Two of them signed a non-aggression pact and by the end of the round (several months) they controlled well over half the military strength. Anyone who wasn't in them was farmed. Then there's the example I gave above. It's quite possible that a group becomes so powerful they're virtual gods despite there being a high player count. That other
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Josias
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10 Apr 2013 17:17Link
the conflict with Hydra and the NLUO began...
well, originally, I spoke out against certain tactics of the NLUO.
Particularly. iniatially, the Hez sent out a recruiting message to all the players on LU. those that responded by declining, where excluded from the list of players. How ever, players that weren't interested enough to even respond, or where obviousbly inactive, where listed as members of the NLUO.
I felt that lying about the size of the player base with in the NLUO, was an underhanded tactic to create a snowball effect of players trying to join a popular political group. And i stod up to them.
Do to frustration, (talking any sense to hez is like talking to a wall.) I threaten the NLUO. How ever, do to war levels, i really couldn't. I was really just blowing hot air. How ever, in the drama/argument that followed. Hez managed to piss off another vet, scarlet, by posting our (min
well, originally, I spoke out against certain tactics of the NLUO.
Particularly. iniatially, the Hez sent out a recruiting message to all the players on LU. those that responded by declining, where excluded from the list of players. How ever, players that weren't interested enough to even respond, or where obviousbly inactive, where listed as members of the NLUO.
I felt that lying about the size of the player base with in the NLUO, was an underhanded tactic to create a snowball effect of players trying to join a popular political group. And i stod up to them.
Do to frustration, (talking any sense to hez is like talking to a wall.) I threaten the NLUO. How ever, do to war levels, i really couldn't. I was really just blowing hot air. How ever, in the drama/argument that followed. Hez managed to piss off another vet, scarlet, by posting our (min
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Serpent
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10 Apr 2013 17:50Link
Although the 'roots' of Hydra as Josias mentioned was to balance the NLUO we have evolved somewhat since then. We now have many many new players that we help and train. Hydra has the ability to move and react quickly to threats made against it. Many newer or less experienced feds have asked for assistance from Hydra and in most if not all cases that assistance has been extended, including to the NLUO.
As Josias stated, the goal of Hydra is not to destroy the NLUO. (It should be noted that the NLUO is doing a pretty good job of that itself). The NLUO has a right to exist so long as they do not claim dominance of all LU presidents. In reality the more feds that LU has, the better.
Now Hydra is beginning to branch out to other worlds. We have a good thing going and Im excited to be associated with this group of players. If you would like to be associated with us, on any planet, then contact a Hydra member.
As Josias stated, the goal of Hydra is not to destroy the NLUO. (It should be noted that the NLUO is doing a pretty good job of that itself). The NLUO has a right to exist so long as they do not claim dominance of all LU presidents. In reality the more feds that LU has, the better.
Now Hydra is beginning to branch out to other worlds. We have a good thing going and Im excited to be associated with this group of players. If you would like to be associated with us, on any planet, then contact a Hydra member.
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Tallisibeth na Colliete
All worlds
10 Apr 2013 22:37Link
.......Well, until my fed-mates say otherwise, Hydra is now on my "observe from a distance" list. But do not worry, for you should be honored to be on that list of mine.