The Case for the NULO (Golden Rainbow)

could take this to mean that the NLUO intends to threaten the existence of nations that do not tow its party line, but I will instead take this as the rantings of someone who has no skill at persuasion, and allow you to clarify, Wendy.

No, Keith I am not saying that, and I apologize if I seem aggressive.. I am not good with description, forgive me...

If we do not institue this government or nations who just will not recognize the government, we won't even acknowledge their existence.

We will just deal with nations who will acknowledge the government, and if it grows to a point where the nations who don't like it may get caught up in it, we will just have to cross that bridge when we come to it..

Keith you could . . . but then you wouldn't make sense, and of the 1700 presidents you came up with, how many are actual full members? Not as many. Probly even a small fraction.

However Keith, I asked that this not be made a personal BS thread, and not make it one, you will now be ignored in the thread by me becuase of your argumentative tones with Hezekiah and insulting responses. No need for that here. You have been excluded. Sorry.

This government will in no circumstance get in the way of nations who just want to have a peaceful game away from the community. Those nations just won't be acknowledged.

Thank you Wendy. I appreciate your candor. I realize this is still in the 'idea' phase and you may have some issues left to iron out.

Seven Nation Army is perhaps the largest single organization on Little Upsilon when it comes to president participation. We consist of nearly 20 branches. More than 60 some individual players make up Seven Nation Army. One day we may even reach the lofty numbers you both hope for.

I'm just confused as to what the NLUO would do that is not already being done by Seven Nation Army, and our good friends in Valde Subsidium? I would like for that to be made clear?

Remember we have a different world view about recent events. In my very short time on Little Upsilon I have never witnessed Seven Nation Army or Valde Subsidium engage in a major war. To me they are the two most peaceful entities on Little Upsilon.

That said, I can not say the same of the NLUO leadership. That might not be

"However Keith, I asked that this not be made a personal BS thread, and not make it one, you will now be ignored in the thread by me becuase of your argumentative tones with Hezekiah and insulting responses. No need for that here. You have been excluded. Sorry."

LOL. You have in the past been guilty of far, far worse insults. "Argumentative tones with Hezekiah?" I thought the point of this whole thread was to answer the reservations that members of the community had about the NLUO. I suppose I can never, ever, ever question Teh Uber World Government, LOL!

I will leave this thread now, as per your wishes.

ok state guy,

This isnt a system of control, I for one downt regulate chat rooms, forums, or anything alse, are you sying that that is what SNA and VS do, control things as they are now?

I thought that was what you were implying. Am I correct?

@Kieth, I would like to involve you again and address your concerns, but you are only seeking to throw us off topic by throwing insults and creating dissension. Sorry, maybe we could talk 1 to 1 another time.

The main problem I see with this, isn't a matter of whether or not its a good idea.

Its a matter of, the majority of the community has rejected it time and time again.

Federations like VS and SNA are basically similar to the NLUO, without all the extra stuff that isn't needed.

Even the NLUO is based on elite party membership and such.

People should be held accountable for their actions, I agree. Maybe the Security Council should be elective in nature for the non-top rank members? Hold elections every real life month or two.

I'm sure others could expand upon that concept more.

Then, give the Security Council a little more power to settle disputes.


Maybe the NLUO should be more FLEXIBLE with regard to what the majority wants. Obviously, most completely disagree with the whole concept. Find out how people would want to set something like this up, and maybe you might have a b

Keith, We just want substance. I am trying not to be agressive with my point or the points of the government.

Wendy, you have MSN? PM Evil Woody Thoughts 0 CEO tax, please

@Quaxocal The NLUO is attempting to help with that process of giving the Security council more power with a centralized world government backing it's resolutions militarily if neccessary for the sake of peace.. People are going tp try the strength of the government. That is human nature.
We need people to sign onto the set up, and build from there. Did the founding fathers go out all over to find out what everybody wanted? No, they made the best government that they could at the time, and built and modified it from there. We have a foundation, let's build the house.

I'm against any and all attempts to "centralize" the way I play the game. Whenever two players get mad at each other, I don't want to have to go and vote on it. I don't want to have to elect someone else to vote on it for me, either. I want to let those players fight it out and just ignore the situation. If myself and/or someone in my federation are dragged into the conflict, then it is time to take action against the offending player(s). This is how SimCountry has been played and is how I would prefer to see it remain.

It is in my view simply an added level of bureaucracy tacked on to a place(a game, no less!) where /it just isn't necessary. SimCountry is a dog-eat-dog world. Some people rise to the top. Some are squashed. Some who are on the top, are toppled and lose power. That is what makes the game interesting. Having some centralized government forcing resolutions to all conflicts will make this game v

Q no need to respond to most of that. I have given you advice once before, If you don't want to join, don't its your choice to make.

It will be set up as is, and when members sign on, it ill be adjusted to fit the needs and wishes of its members,. If you want to have a say in that you should join. If you don't , then don't.

Thanks for your questions and concerns.

@Lolosaurus, if you read the whole thread, you would see that we said that we would not get in the way of a nation who wanted to not be apart of the community or recognize the NLUO

I respect a whole LOT of what lolosaurus has said, but tis a dog eat dog world, you can let it be as is or make your stamp on it. Either way its at the discretion of the player who is making the decision. I respect yours. Please respect our decision to undertake it. Thx

Most players though would rather deal with the existing structure as set up by Simcountry, rather than something which you have setup. Especially with you both being so controversial in nature.

Why not just give the Security Council more power and have the majority of it directly elected?

This fulfills the functions of the "NLUO" in the current game setup without all the extra trappings and forcings.

Most federations are organized similarly in some respects to the NLUO, without wanting to be a world government. People want some freedom of action. Look at countries of the world. Its the same way.

The difference between the founding fathers and you, is they were elected to the Continental Congress. Your NLUO is something you personally set up, and now you are trying to get everyone else to adhere to it.

Most people are happy with their current federations. The majority that you seek, does not want yo

@Lolosaurus You are promoting a form of central power with no accountability,and that drives away nations. Do you want to grow simcountry or just who ever or what ever? The betterment of the game must not be your focus. I am being as nice as possible, please reply..

Wendy,

I can't speak for others, but Seven Nation Army, as it stands now, is only focused on the needs and concerns of its members. We are fairly open with membership and welcome just about anyone.

Look at our many successful young players? We seek out new players every day. We add them to our ranks, train them, and help them expand and grow. I believe we are a positive, peaceful force on this world.

I'm just not really sure what the NLUO would actually do? We already have a security council? We already have a chat room? We have this forum? Our community has been provided all of these tools from the game master.

Maybe you two are looking to change the rules of the game? WildEyes posted a very interesting game rule change a few days ago under general. It was really something to think about.

I know I for one am bogged down in mentoring new players. I doubt I would have the time, will or desire to sit throu

According to W3C, king, more people are signing up every day and stick around. Your concept of a world government or lack of, is not causing people to play or not play.

Maybe you should propose your idea directly to W3C, and get their comments on it? Actually, this is a GOOD idea. Then you will see why it won't happen.

Q

Well all of the founding fathers were not elected officials, and yes they did just create a republic, and sold it to the American people.

Most people can stay happy with their feds, But new nations coming in will grow it. If it was not wanted by the majority, there would not be over 30 presidents interested but afraid to get attacked.. I checked most of them when they emailed me, and most of them had full memberships. I say 21 out of the 30 had full memberships. YOu all with your harsh retoric scare nations off the game..

I did get their comment on it, and they liked it. I just had to run it to the community.

Obviously we are having a lot harder time selling it to the community than W3C.

King, you might want to brush up on your history. The Continental Congress was made up of delegates chosen by state legislatures, which were directly elected.

The Articles of Confederation Congress also was a representative body from each state.

Q

"The difference between the founding fathers and you, is they were elected to the Continental Congress. Your NLUO is something you personally set up, and now you are trying to get everyone else to adhere to it. "

Wrong. As stated by King previously we are setting up an organization for the community to become a part of and allow each member to vote on representation.

Do you wish to become an LU resident and subsequent member of NLUO in order to affect its policies. The decision is yours. You can criticize all you want, but if you want to have say in it, you need become a member and vote, bring up your issues and have them resolved. Until then, your voice in the matter of policy or function of NLUO is null and void. I encourage your participation, but again that is entirely up to you.

Any is welcomed to comment even Q


I'm doing just that.