War Level significance in Federations

Andy maybe you should listen to what you're reading from veteran players. All these changes in the past few years has made this game go down hill.
I am a returning veteran player and it sickens me to see the lack of chat and forum posts like we had years ago. Lose the war levels, make the game more affordable to play and get rid of the added expense for countries with all those upgrades for weapons/ammo/maintenance for weapons.
I'm truly surprised this game is still going at the rate its going with all the nickel and dime expenses incurred to each country.

There are many here paying $ 4 a month.
In the great old days, nobody bothered to pay to support the development effort.

I think that this might be the difference.

There are now more players joining who understand that the entire thing cannot go for free.

so all this advice about getting rid of this and that is not relevant and when you talk about declining numbers or increasing numbers, that too is not relevant.

The question is:
are these players only talk the talk or are they also ready to walk the walk.

Orbiter, Supersoldier, Serpent:

Thanks for your words.
We want of course to increase the participation in the game.

We agree that some tuning is needed, also in the war game but we do not want to return to the days when some veteran players used to kill newcomers.

and as before, despite many changes, we will need to make more effort to make it easier to play as many of those who visit just don't understand how to play and leave.

Andy

My i offer a suggestion to the GM.
I would HAPPILY pay more for simcountry.

I know ALOT of people have been complaining about the VERY weak amount of GC you get for paying.
$36USD only gets you 13 Trillion which is little compared to when you have to buy weapons or pay off debt.

I personally would buy more GC if there was a better rate?.
If i may suggest adding sales by 10? Instead of the 12-24-36 rates?

$10 = 100GC
$20 = 220GC ( 10% bonus)
$30 = 345GC ( 15% bonus)
$40 = 480GC ( 20% bonus)
$50 = 625GC ( 25% bonus)
BEST OFFER --- $100 = 1500GC ( 50% bonus)

If you offer better deals for GC i and MANY others would buy. I have countries with 14T in debt. Im not going to pay 36USD to clear the debt of 1 nation. But if i could pay 50 to clear 3 of them i would. Just a though
If you offered 1000+ GC ill be the first in line to buy th

theirs a good point, the 4 dollars for the minimum, seems nice to me, but anything past hanging out with one empire, it just to expensive, 1 space dock, cost 20 dollars of GC, doing anything significant cost allot. some things like professionals, should be cheaper.

i'm hating myself for saying this, but its been 4 dollars/month since i started playing, maybe 5 or 6, to justify lowering the prices of other things, like making the first ceo per world free with the empire? i realize these are business designions, that are entirely yours, i'm not trying to meddle. just offering some feedback

and thanks for the discussion

The war level limitations when declaring war will be relaxes a bit within the coming two weeks.

There will be several changes:

1. When declaring war, the difference in war level is now maximized to 3 war levels. It will be increased to 4. The same will apply to participation in federation wars and war treaties.
On FB there are no such limitations.

2. Players in war level 3 who fought more than 20 wars, are considered to be knowledgable enough to move to war level 4.
when they declare war, they will be moved to war level 4. The change will not take place automatically but will be executed only when they declare war.
A player in war level 3 who fought more than 20 wars will remain in war level 3 until the next war.

3. The number of gold coins you win when moving to war level 4,5 and 6 will increase to 50 (from 30) on all the worlds except for the FB world. On FB, the award will increase to 90 gold coins

Thank you Andy
Those are very reasonable and very welcome changes. Thank you for taking the time to talk with the other GM and bring this matter to their attention.

Since we are talking about war levels, I'm not sure if your aware or if this was done on purpose but there is very little incentive to warring at the high war levels.

I was looking at taking a war level 12 and the stats are HORRIBLE. Only 6T in cash? I spend more then that on clear defenses. I know a lot of people have complained. If you look you see the cash value grows at the normal increased rates even though the defenses grow dramatically.

If i can offer a suggestion to the GM.
I know your looking to allow people to war and gain 100's of trillions, but maybe some other things could be beneficial?

Maybe leaving some professional soldiers/officers in the nation after words?
Increasing the pop more?
I dont know these are just ideas.

ok. so 20 for 4, will you enforce higher?

i'm also interested in hearing sup's questions questions answered

supersoldier will never surprise us and thanks for the compliments. The other GMs are responsible.

you always have numbers for us and they are always going the same way.
it seems that the war game for you, is about fighting fake wars.
My advise is to stop it and start fighting real ones.
we should help of course.

It should become more attractive and possible to fight real wars. the cost may decrease more and permanent protection should cost more.

on the other hand, the "loot" from fake wars, should decline (it has some, but did not catch up with the declined cost of war).
It should decline more and make it less attractive to fight fakes. This is not what the game is about.

That's true Andy, but most of us have usually got to fight these 'fake' wars or C3s, in order to receive a vast amount of money to develop our economies or pay off debts, its the only way many of us keep going here in this game.

If you could somehow make the economies in countries function so much better such as cutting back the total number of workers that are required at each corporation by 50% for example, we would be able to approximately have twice as many corporations in a country, as well as the country making twice as much profit per game month.

This is only just a suggestion, but if you're planning to make C3 warring much less attractive to us, you should really start making up for it by improving the economy of our countries instead.

i completely agree james

andy, your the only GM that actually talks to us, to us, you represent them all, and talking to you, is like talking to all the GM.

serious dude, don't "pass the buck" unless joni, josi, and robocop suddenly start talking, which, by the way, we'd love

Most countries are very profitable. Much more profitable than in the past.
We will also continue the trend of lower pricing, especially for weapons and ammo so that the monthly profit of the country will enable you to purchase more.

This should continue to improve, and on the other hand, make the fake wars less relevant.

Normally I'm the first to jump all over Andy, but he has been respectful for the most part and seems willing to help us. Lets show him a bit of a better attitude, we know once the yelling starts, no one gets heard.

Andy

I think what most people are worried about is if you keep cutting the profits why bother warring? everyone will sit at war level 3, maybe a few wars will happen with players but not enough to move a lot of people up the levels.
I'm not sure if your aware but the increase in score with war levels is REALLY low, the costs are EXPENSIVE.
I think for everyone to understand everyones view point.

Can you please explain HOW moving to war level 12 will benefits me instead of WHY you think it would be good?

As I said before, it is not about fake wars.

we should, step by step, make fake wars less profitable and winning real wars more relevant/profitable.
It is more challenging as is but not everyone is interested in a real fight.

Climbing the war levels pays many gold coins, and increasingly gives you a score boost. The trend will continue.

Game levels also depend on war levels, and there are, and will be even more gold coins to win there.

The cost of war declined a lot and this too will continue.

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