Zens Selling Thread

I'll take all of them. I sent you a message.

I'll take them all for 100gc total. That would require selling them to me one by one for 100 gc each and you buying my c3s to keep the exchange even. Sounds good? I would like to do this as soon as possible.

Papastorm is giving me 750gc for them and the third one isn't being sold anymore.

750GC for 2 countries? Ludicrous. I understand they have some value, but that is way too much. If you want to benefit the game, build them up with your methods and sell them to players who may stick around in the game at a discount. Call it community service.

It takes me a while to build them and the cost it takes for me to build their corporations/infrastructure and military weapons lost from c3 wars is too much for me to sell them at a dirt price. No one else is selling countries often, so currently I have no competition and I set my prices at what I feel is fair. If I get competition and have no buyers I may lower prices.

100 gc for around 300 million population is insanely low. It costs 1800gc for 300 million population if bought from the gm. So 900gc would be 3gc per million population for 300 million population. I sold my countries at 2.5gc per million population which I believe is pretty low.

Not to mention the cost of military assets lost due to c3 wars and corporations. If I sold a very large country with all state owned corporations the player can increase corporate value beyond a hundred trillion.

The only alternative is a SC$ payout. One trillion per 500k population. so if the country has 200 million people I'd expect 100T SC$. The player can make most of that back with the shares of the corporations in the country or simply keep the corporations without selling shares. This is a great way for econ players, or players short on gc to get large countries without using gc for them. How it works is simple. They set up a small slave with 100T in it and I take it over, then I have them sell an item in space for 500gc and I buy it giving them 500gc. Then I put up the country for 515gc so that they can bid on it.

Seems a bit complex for something like that. Lots of ifs, ands, and buts. Leaving far too much room for error. Space is unnecessary for this process. Am I missing something?

The 100T in SC$ is fine, even 200T for the right country with good demographics. But the Gold Coin has a value that is far above and beyond what the exchange rate is. You show a lot of potential Zen, but let's not put anyone here who doesn't really understand value under any illusions.

I am a magician, I can create money in SC with relative ease. Many others all over the forum have given examples of how to do it as well. Overpaying in SC$'s is totally easy to overlook because of the possibility to create it within the game. In fairness, This is a good medium of exchange because you are giving something created within the game for something created within the game. Currently, GC are converted to Cash, a tiny unimpressive and extremely wasteful sum is what you get. Since the SC$ has been restricted from conversion to GC, anyone overpaying for countries using GC should just quit while they are ahead.

I understand there is effort and 'some' value. But it is still overvalued, the GM pop rate has Zilch to do with that formula. I have heard these equations and counter equations many, many times before you reincarnated into your present form.

You're like a car salesman looking for a sucker. For all the preaching on how you lot like to help players so much, I wish you would match your boasts with acts and not fleece people with a narrow view into buying these dingy contraptions you are putting together.

Well if that's the case maybe we need competition. As of now I am the only one actively doing this. The process is very simple it just requires some time and SC$.

I posted a guide on how to do this, and it is pretty simple. I'm sure before I posted that guide players have been doing it for years. So why isn't anyone else using this to sell their own countries? If a player dedicated about an hour a day attacking 5 countries every day or two and taking 5 minutes every day per 4 hours on their phone/computer transferring population they could transfer up to 12 million population a day( which is almost impossible I know ). Within 20 days you can have a 240 million population country, and most players will buy it for 400gc+.

A large country with state owned corporations is worth hundreds of trillions of SC$. Currently the market for gc in electric power is roughly around 250B SC$ per gc. 400gc is worth around 100T SC$. A country with around say 400 corporations, which you can get with around 250 million population can have a collective corporate value over 200T SC$ if they're set up correctly. If a player sold half of the shares in those corporations as they're still increasing in value they can get over 100T SC$.

So with that in mind, the country is worth over 400gc by corporate value alone. My past countries were over priced that is true. This is because I sold off the shares before selling the countries. My more recently sold ones were sold to players who know me and papastorm told me directly he would pay extra for them. Which is nice.

That is just the value in corporations minus the huge population and infrastructure. A lot of my recent sales were trashed countries I went inactive on, but when I build countries specifically to sell I always try to make it as economically efficient as possible. I know I'm not perfect, but I still build some pretty efficient countries that usually hit the #1 top finance ranking on their world that isn't LU if they're over 200 million population.

I can easily make 100T SC$ in less time than building a large country with minimal effort to sell in electric since I have the benefit of utilizing every worlds' market through my enterprises. However it is something unique I believe I am doing. Which is why the prices are what they are. In my opinion I believe they are at very good prices. Since I've bought more expensive countries that have much less population.

Once there is some competition I will lower prices. Currently there isn't much because well... no one has time to do it. In my opinion. Which I can understand. This is why I haven't sold much in recent months.

I'm honestly not here to make it easier for people buying countries, I'm doing it for my own growth. Just like any other capitalist. As long as there is a demand for countries I'll be selling them at prices I choose. If people don't want to buy I lower them, but there is a market for me in this that I want to engage in.

We know you aren't here to make it easier for anyone else. This attitude prevails. I find it interesting given some of your previous statements. I'm all for making a buck, but you are getting over big time. Let me know when you start selling cars, I'll send someone I don't like your way to buy one from you. BTW, I can't read essays. Stop trying to explain value to me as if I have been playing for 10 days now with no previous experience. I appreciate the effort though, however right you think you are.

Okay.

I have purchased countries from Zen. I have felt I have paid a fair price every time. I don't want the hassle of building a country with a large population because I don't want to log on every day multiple times a day for weeks on end. I appreciate that he does it and then sells the country to me at a good and fair gc price. I know I could do it myself but I won't. I could change own oil too, but I always take the car to the shop and pay. Sometimes it is just easier and worth it to do it that way.