War on Sons of Light Bloodline (Little Upsilon)

There is a war on my fed. They have all come to me with concerns about you Stuart.. Decing them..
Why? We talkied. I met your fellows.. We had a kindship. I had a trust for you, and you are nuking President Kingasia E-North America Union.
You are decing his slave, even after we talked.

What is this?

I was also under the impression that a truce has been made?


I hate to butt in as a mediator, but if needed let me know.

Stuart Seems intent on me carrying out my plan for damages to CIS members despite my voluntary cessation in hostilities. Oh well, Kill I will.

King - the nuke (yes - just one) went off before we spoke. As soon as we spoke, I withdrew my forces. No further attacks were made from the point that our conversation started, and my forces withdrew halfway through our IRC chat.

I did tell you this last night!!!

Also, I thought the idea of you now having my MSN was so that you could contact me on there so as we don't fill up the forum.

As far as i'm concerned King, I withdrew my forces as I believed us now to be at peace, as I still do. Last night - not only did we speak, but you spoke to others who you have had problems with and tonight, I hope to be able to introduce you to others.

Your not as bad as you make yourself out to be on here, and yes I agree - I do think we made more progress last night than we have in the 6 months prior.

Again - my forces have withdrawn, only one nuke went off and I am currently allowing the decs to expire.

The one country I did take last night (which I also informed you about) was the Independent state of Rober. Today, I have transferred 6T to this country to improve its infrastructure and defensive armaments with more cash to follow if needed. This country will then be offered back to its rightful owner, or if you like - you can have it.

Thankyou.

All declarations are now expired.

Well Stuart Taylor!!!! You know what you did to my country. I demand that you should transfer 10t to my "united 1" country for the damage you have caused. And you should also say you are sorry for attacked me. You nuke me multiple times not only one you liar. You thought my slave was weak did you? You found out the hard way. Im not going to leave you alone until you compensate for the damage.
Kingasia

here is the states of the war that Stuart wages against me. the 65 millions people nation against 15 millions.


International News


Hostilities between Caldera and United 1
The unit Nazra of United 1 lost 237 helicopters and 227 interceptors. Nazra lost 1 or more trucks, gasoline and military supplies. United 1 lost 213 soldiers and 615 were wounded. Caldera forces lost 305 navy fighter planes. The attack may have been reduced or eliminated by Anti Missile Missiles. Caldera lost 1939 soldiers and 4109 were wounded. United 1 defense was assisted by the Louth and USD2 unit. The allies lost 254 soldiers and 795 soldiers were wounded.



Hostilities between Caldera and United 1
The unit Nazra of United 1 lost 237 helicopters and 227 interceptors. Nazra lost 1 or more trucks, gasoline and military supplies. United 1 lost 213 soldiers and 615 were wounded. Caldera forces lost 305 navy fighter planes. The attack may have been reduced or eliminated by Anti Missile Missiles. Caldera lost 1939 soldiers and 4109 were wounded. United 1 defense was assisted by the Louth and USD2 unit. The allies lost 254 soldiers and 795 soldiers were wounded.



Hostilities between Caldera and United 1
Caldera ground or air force placed a nuclear attack on Ramon city. On the side of United 1 there were 2128 casualties and 2881 civilians were wounded. Ramon is very severely damaged. Weapons based at Ramon may have been destroyed. On the Caldera side no losses were reported. The attack may have been reduced or eliminated by Anti Missile Missiles. United 1 defense was assisted by the Garrison TG361 unit.



Hostilities between Caldera and United 1
Caldera ground or air force placed a nuclear attack on Ramon city. On the side of United 1 there were 2128 casualties and 2881 civilians were wounded. Ramon is very severely damaged. Weapons based at Ramon may have been destroyed. On the Caldera side no losses were reported. The attack may have been reduced or eliminated by Anti Missile Missiles. United 1 defense was assisted by the Garrison TG361 unit.



Hostilities between Caldera and United 1
Caldera ground or air force placed a nuclear attack on Rising Power capital. No damage to Rising Power is reported. United 1 forces used 1 nuclear defense missile in the defense. On the Caldera side no losses were reported. The attack may have been reduced or eliminated by Anti Missile Missiles. United 1 defense was assisted by the Garrison TG327 unit.



Hostilities between Caldera and United 1
Caldera ground or air force placed a nuclear attack on Rising Power capital. No damage to Rising Power is reported. United 1 forces used 1 nuclear defense missile in the defense. On the Caldera side no losses were reported. The attack may have been reduced or eliminated by Anti Missile Missiles. United 1 defense was assisted by the Garrison TG327 unit.



Hostilities between Caldera and United 1
The unit D helicopter w2 of United 1 lost 426 helicopters and 254 interceptors. D helicopter w2 lost 1 or more trucks, gasoline and military supplies. United 1 lost 344 soldiers and 858 were wounded. Caldera forces lost 106 navy fighter planes. The attack may have been reduced or eliminated by Anti Missile Missiles. Caldera lost 589 soldiers and 1376 were wounded. United 1 defense was assisted by the Ella quant and USD1 unit. The allies lost 277 soldiers and 752 soldiers were wounded.



Hostilities between Caldera and United 1
The unit D helicopter w2 of United 1 lost 426 helicopters and 254 interceptors. D helicopter w2 lost 1 or more trucks, gasoline and military supplies. United 1 lost 344 soldiers and 858 were wounded. Caldera forces lost 106 navy fighter planes. The attack may have been reduced or eliminated by Anti Missile Missiles. Caldera lost 589 soldiers and 1376 were wounded. United 1 defense was assisted by the Ella quant and USD1 unit. The allies lost 277 soldiers and 752 soldiers were wounded.



Hostilities between Caldera and United 1
The unit D helicopter w2 of United 1 lost 491 helicopters and 359 interceptors. D helicopter w2 lost 1 or more trucks, gasoline and military supplies. United 1 lost 576 soldiers and 1652 were wounded. Caldera forces lost 191 navy fighter planes. The attack may have been reduced or eliminated by Anti Missile Missiles. Caldera lost 1161 soldiers and 3137 were wounded. United 1 defense was assisted by the Nazra and Defense Interceptor Wing 3 unit. The allies lost 266 soldiers and 809 soldiers were wounded.



Hostilities between Caldera and United 1
The unit D helicopter w2 of United 1 lost 491 helicopters and 359 interceptors. D helicopter w2 lost 1 or more trucks, gasoline and military supplies. United 1 lost 576 soldiers and 1652 were wounded. Caldera forces lost 191 navy fighter planes. The attack may have been reduced or eliminated by Anti Missile Missiles. Caldera lost 1161 soldiers and 3137 were wounded. United 1 defense was assisted by the Nazra and Defense Interceptor Wing 3 unit. The allies lost 266 soldiers and 809 soldiers were wounded.



Hostilities between Caldera and United 1
D helicopter w6 is completely destroyed. The unit D helicopter w6 of United 1 lost 400 helicopters and 610 interceptors. D helicopter w6 lost 1 or more trucks, gasoline and military supplies. United 1 lost 798 soldiers and 1797 were wounded. Caldera forces lost 240 navy fighter planes. The attack may have been reduced or eliminated by Anti Missile Missiles. Caldera lost 1394 soldiers and 3788 were wounded. United 1 defense was assisted by the Daet and Defense Interceptor Wing 2 unit. The allies lost 307 soldiers and 720 soldiers were wounded.



Hostilities between Caldera and United 1
D helicopter w6 is completely destroyed. The unit D helicopter w6 of United 1 lost 400 helicopters and 610 interceptors. D helicopter w6 lost 1 or more trucks, gasoline and military supplies. United 1 lost 798 soldiers and 1797 were wounded. Caldera forces lost 240 navy fighter planes. The attack may have been reduced or eliminated by Anti Missile Missiles. Caldera lost 1394 soldiers and 3788 were wounded. United 1 defense was assisted by the Daet and Defense Interceptor Wing 2 unit. The allies lost 307 soldiers and 720 soldiers were wounded.



Hostilities between Caldera and United 1
Interceptor Wing 1 is completely destroyed. The unit Interceptor Wing 1 of United 1 lost 885 interceptors. Interceptor Wing 1 lost 1 or more trucks, gasoline and military supplies. United 1 lost 652 soldiers and 1424 were wounded. Caldera forces lost 192 navy fighter planes. The attack may have been reduced or eliminated by Anti Missile Missiles. Caldera lost 1490 soldiers and 4010 were wounded. United 1 defense was assisted by the Peoria and Lincoln unit. The allies lost 370 soldiers and 1178 soldiers were wounded.



Hostilities between Caldera and United 1
Interceptor Wing 1 is completely destroyed. The unit Interceptor Wing 1 of United 1 lost 885 interceptors. Interceptor Wing 1 lost 1 or more trucks, gasoline and military supplies. United 1 lost 652 soldiers and 1424 were wounded. Caldera forces lost 192 navy fighter planes. The attack may have been reduced or eliminated by Anti Missile Missiles. Caldera lost 1490 soldiers and 4010 were wounded. United 1 defense was assisted by the Peoria and Lincoln unit. The allies lost 370 soldiers and 1178 soldiers were wounded.



Hostilities between Caldera and United 1
The unit Interceptor Wing 1 of United 1 lost 951 interceptors. Interceptor Wing 1 lost 1 or more trucks, gasoline and military supplies. United 1 lost 717 soldiers and 1713 were wounded. Caldera forces lost 340 navy fighter planes. The attack may have been reduced or eliminated by Anti Missile Missiles. Caldera lost 2129 soldiers and 5831 were wounded. United 1 defense was assisted by the Louth and Defense Intercepter Wing 1 unit. The allies lost 313 soldiers and 1154 soldiers were wounded.



Hostilities between Caldera and United 1
The unit Interceptor Wing 1 of United 1 lost 951 interceptors. Interceptor Wing 1 lost 1 or more trucks, gasoline and military supplies. United 1 lost 717 soldiers and 1713 were wounded. Caldera forces lost 340 navy fighter planes. The attack may have been reduced or eliminated by Anti Missile Missiles. Caldera lost 2129 soldiers and 5831 were wounded. United 1 defense was assisted by the Louth and Defense Intercepter Wing 1 unit. The allies lost 313 soldiers and 1154 soldiers were wounded.


Country News


Recovering from a Major Nuclear War Disaster
2517 of the wounded persons recovered. 22985 people returned home. 85937 victims of the disaster died this month.



Teach Message
Thu Jan 4, 2361 You are advised to have some reserve materials for your army including: 5.000 Trucks, 500.000 Military Supply products, 500.000 tons of Gasoline and 500.000 tons of Aircraft Fuel.



Factory damaged by disaster
Hesston Advanced Quality Produ is very severely damaged. The factory Hesston Advanced Quality Produ will be closed down.



Factory damaged by disaster
Eagle Interceptors is very severely damaged. The factory Eagle Interceptors will be closed down.



Factory damaged by disaster
Victorsville Helicopter Missil is very severely damaged. The factory Victorsville Helicopter Missil will be closed down.



Factory damaged by disaster
Vinton Interceptor Missiles is very severely damaged. The factory Vinton Interceptor Missiles will be closed down.



Factory damaged by disaster
Venedig Interceptor Missiles is very severely damaged. The factory Venedig Interceptor Missiles will be closed down.



Factory damaged by disaster
Arden Services is very severely damaged. The factory Arden Services will be closed down.



Factory damaged by disaster
Santarosa Defensive Missiles is very severely damaged. The factory Santarosa Defensive Missiles will be closed down.



Factory damaged by disaster
Dovra Precision Bombs is very severely damaged. The factory Dovra Precision Bombs will be closed down.



Factory damaged by disaster
Canard Luxury Goods is very severely damaged. The factory Canard Luxury Goods will be closed down.

As a non interested party, I looked through and calculated the damages and 10T is a very high demand as only about 2.5 to 3T damage was done. My estimate is on the rather HIGH side as well. Just saying that it may behoove you to lower your demands a bit.


With Regards,
Jack Frost

You have to take into account the residual damges, and lost time, the total actual damages plus cost to rebuild corps hospitals schools and infrastructure plus pop loss. This is a significant setback to this young mans economy. Time is money, rebuilding won't happen over night as you already know jack.

10T seems fair to me.

We could always go with my option. 1 Quad in eco loss for CIS. 10T seems a bit light IMHO.

Well I figured in 900B for lost corps as 9 were destroyed this would start them up and give them enough money to operate until FULL upgrades again if they already were. Loss of military equipment and live would be roughly 600B. at 2.75T per million pop take about 20% in lost lives as from what I read the casualties haven't been very high. That would be another 550B. Now being nice and throwing in a free 1million population adds 2.75T

ok so
$ 900
600
550
2,750
_______
3,910B

This figure was configured after a generous restructuring.


With Regards,
Dragoon

"You have to take into account the residual damges, and lost time, the total actual damages plus cost to rebuild corps hospitals schools and infrastructure plus pop loss."


PoP = priceless
Residual loss = monumental
2.75T = unacceptable

10T in comparison to 1Q = generous concession.

No deal. Al decs were lawful against NLUO members at the time. All hostilities ceased as soon as a diplomatic window was openend with King Hezekiah and forces withdrew to pre-war positions.

Yes, I fired 2 nukes at you Kingasia, but you had NDB's in your capital so that one caused you no damage. The news reports you have posted above are NOT true and have been edited by yourself. If anyone dosn't believe me you can look at his countries newspaper.

No compensation will be paid, but if you read my post above - you will see what i'm doing for the president who's country I did take in the conflict.

I consider this conflict to be over, but I will return to arms if I or any Valde Subsidium members are attacked by either SOL federation branch.

Thankyou.

We do appear to have a post war conundrum.

Sons of Light started the war. That is a fact. Stuart, along with nearly the entire planet, responded to the SOL war declarations.

However, most of the members of King Hezekiah's federation, are new to the game and don't understand the history. They don't realize they have joined "the dark side."

Stuart, did you, or anyone else, receive war declarations from KingAsia? I realize this doesn't change the fact that his fed declared war on you, but he may not have known what the SOL was doing. I appeal to you to offer something to this guy. If only for the fact that he is new to the game.

KingAsia, under these circumstances nobody would 'expect' Stuart to give you anything. However, he is a fairly nice guy (depending on the day ). Your current organization is the cause of much of this planets strife, war and bitterness. If you choose to remain in SOL you can only expect for events like this one to happen again.

It is also important to remember the nature of this game. Though it would be nice for Stuart to pay reparations, this is to a point a war simulation, and Stuart did not start the war. If one can not compete in this environment they can not blame the better player, but work to figure out how to win.

I for one do not recognize any CIS members as VS members until we have a non aggression pact on the table and signed.

SOL is a Confederacy, SOL Bloodline is separate completely from SOL Proper. Its members are free to act as they choose to.

In the Same way Jack Frost declared on my nations independent of VS I in turn declared on CIS members, no SOL or any branch nations declared on anyone. I appreciate your diplomacy OK, but this was not a result of SOL declaring on anyone. This was a result of past and present aggression perpetuated by Stuart as regards to King a peaceful individual.

I also like your comment about this being a war sim game, so many people still crying about having to fight. I don't get it. I will begin a search for Lulzy victims and see if this is what the world thinks. I for one haven't minded war since the first time I was attacked more than once. It seems some just haven't liked the result.
Wendy Points to another thread for those who don't wish to war me to offer NAP's as security to remain outside a conflict arena. I for one would like to offer one to SNA as there are many friendlies over there. This would be monumental in progress towards securing peace for the community. Wouldn't you agree?

His main is ranked as 23rd financially, so he is not someone I would class as a new player.

Also, I don't think Wendy is in any position to offer her thoughts on compensation. She has never paid a single coin or any cash at all. And considering the amount of damage that she has done with unlawful sneak attacks in the past - that is a lot worse than this. Wendy - remember - you declared on CIS first, not the other way around - or are you confusing yourself with Johnny Walker again?

Perhaps this situation may have been different if I had not received a load of abusive messages from this guy in game. If you read my posts above - you will see what I am doing for a resonable president. So far - that country has had 6T of my own money, and another 6 will probably have to be added tonight. That is on top of the 10GC I have paid out for extra population and that is just to date!!! So you see, I am not totally unresonable and if i'm not insulted or threatenend I will endevour to help any president who I have had a conflict with. The Independent state of Rober will be returned to its rightful owner once I have finished making the improvements which it so badly needed. That is resonable.

KingAsia - having looked at your country, I estimate damages to be around 1.5T. You and I both know that is nothing. Especially that you can afford to put 20GC up for cash bids last night requesting 15T in return. Last night (I was feeling slightly generous at the time), I was about to bid 20T on that for you, but thought better of it after I remembered about the in game messages you sent me. But my pointer was hovering right over the confirm bid button for ages.

As I said to you via an in game message - if you had approached me without calling me, and I quote, "A f***ing mother f***ing r**ard", I may have offered you compensation.

As it stands at the moment, none will be paid.

I consider this conflict to be over, and any conflict where any SOL member is involved. I will not move my forces in to what could be classed as offensive positions unless any VS member, or myself is attacked.

Thankyou.

Stuart please refrain from shouting obsceneties on the forum thx. Grow up a bit.

If I recall you and Jason and Barney took several of my countries before I ever gave thought to any sneak attacks. Have You ever offered compensation? NO Which Is why I feel 1Q in eco damage to CIS is still short of what I would call fair.Im thinking 3 - 4Q makes a bit more sense.

I will offer my comments as this IS a forum. And King Asia is a member of a federation I am an affiliate of. Thx.

If you remember - you sneak attacked Loki. That is why we fought you.

Also, read it properly - it was a quote from an IGM from Kingasia, just so you can see why im not offering compensation.

Yeah after Barney and jason and yourself took myc3s. And thats why loki was sneak attacked.

Quote or whatever, It need not be shouted across the forum, if he intended that he would have done just that, He sent it in game, and thats who needs to hear it appropriately too.

Don't compensate, I've never been a fan of such lunacy. How do you go to war, pay for weapons and resources, only to pay the victim. Just my POV. But as he is my affiliate I support his call for such measures, and know you would and have demanded not only compensation in the past, but outrageous figures.
Thx.

lol Wendy - but I knew I would never get it!!! Remember - we agreed to just call it quits????

Anyway, I am compensating the president who had The Independent State of Rober by building it up and making it into a half decent country with my own time and resources. Why? Because he sent me a nice IGM and I then felt bad about it!!!

As I said before, having spent 6T and 10GC so far, I will tonight be transferring another 6T and adding more pop which will be another 10GC unless I can find it cheap. So as you can see, i'm not totally unresonable.....

"lol Wendy - but I knew I would never get it!!! Remember - we agreed to just call it quits???? "

We DID, but then you began attacking King. And then you even perpetuated the issues with him now. This is a broken record your playing.

No wendy, you attacked CIS which led to the issues we are having now, along with King not keeping to agreed peace terms......

There is a lot here to consider.


First, Wendy, I'm not sure what you are referring to here:

"Wendy Points to another thread for those who don't wish to war me to offer NAP's as security to remain outside a conflict arena."

As of now it appears that all conflicts have ended. You know that SNA is committed to peace, and does not wish to be at war with you.

The only reason for our past aggression was our treaty with CIS. We still have to work out the details of that treaty following the CIS/VS merger. I would be happy to speak to you further about peace, which is the goal of SNA.


Stuart:

"As I said to you via an in game message - if you had approached me without calling me, and I quote, "A f***ing mother f***ing r**ard", I may have offered you compensation."

I was unaware of this. I think everyone should take a step back for a moment and remind themselves that this is JUST a game.

If someone was to speak to me with that kind of disrespect - I too would not offer them reparations. Though I understand his anger concerning a sudden attack, one must still remain civil.

It is a fact of war that assets will be lost.

Now.

What can be accomplished here? If the answer is nothing - lets move on and try to maintain peace this time.




(Stuart, thank you for your efforts to compensate The Independent State of Rober)

Peace? The LU thread for Peace is what I was referring to OKSG. Suart can happily sign it when VS does. Until then I guess there is nothing to do but . . .

Stuart you know i have the right to be angry at you and say what i did in the message. If you were me, you would do the same. Being attack with no reason at all, your reason for attacking me is like Bush believed there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and impost free will on the people who dont want to be free. And on the other hand you pick on a young nation of my only 15 million people. Dont you wish you fight a nation the same size as your nation and have all the weapons that you threw at me. and i dont even know what is going on in this game yet. This is my first real month in this game. The finacial in my country is good because i dont fight wars like you do, i spend time research on my economy, plus I did not lie about the news that i posted...someone times i wonder if you ever really fight someone that is same size as your Caldera?...If you dont pay the compensation now maybe one day you will. You should consider it.

I pay compensation to people who speak to me in a respectful way. You don't. So you don't get any. End of.

Thankyou.