World War (Golden Rainbow)

Oh, and while I am here....

Die GREF, DIE!!! You guys suck!!! I never liked skittles anyway!!! Eco b00bs!!! and so on

Haha, yes you are probably right, your posts have been more provocative than personal, however i feel that since it being brought to the attention of GREF members they have ceased being personal and realise this was not acceptable.

Tendo Ryu,

Hey! I appreciate you request to build a corportion in my country of Map Dominion. As I explained in game message, I don't have enough unemployed workers to support another corporation.

John L

I DO!!!!! LOL send it.

such entertainment
keno on GR lol

Helloa Slare.
U posted 'If we were truly going for daylight robbery we could have gone after all those inactives that currently litter the UC. But clearly our strikes have been limited to John and whoever else decided go get involved for their own reasons.'

Exactly my point. Robbing inactives is midnight robbery. Sneaky, underhanded robbery. The victim doesn't even know it's happening. Daylight robbery is when a crew comes up to you in the street and robs you at knife point. But you've gone one step further. Your also beating him up.
Acts of common thug life criminals.
Tut tut.

Renegade's. You will bow down to the power of the people.

Very true Nix, I would even consider these guys terrorists by their actions.

I dont know. To me a terrorist attacks from behind then runs away.
I recon this is just a crew beating. And normally behind a crew beating is someone who dare not do it by them self.
And like most crew beatings, the first attack is always just the start of things.
Thats why I like the good old one on one

"I dont know. To me a terrorist attacks from behind then runs away."

No a terrorist is someone who attacks from behind and goes "POP"(explodes lol..)

Just to make my position clear. I saw a crew beating and offered my help to the victim. My offer of help was accepted, but as yet, not been called upon. If it turns out my help is not needed I will walk away. The more time that passes without being called upon, the less likelihood of The Forces of Nature being unleashed.
The issue to me now is one of time.
It seems like this has been going on for a while. But that, in my eyes, does not excuse the behaviour of Rat Pack. Life is Honour. Without it you are nothing.

Peace&Hardcore..............Nix001
Mother Natures Army

"This war is both UC and GREFF's fault. Mostly GREFF as stated you all were planning to attack John. Clearly John got wind of that and knew everyone was away with holidays so he went and got people from out of world to kick your asses."

No, that timeline is inaccurate. John was out recruiting in the October timeframe. We got a lot of info from numerous independent sources about the recruiting effort, and the fact it was being conducted specifically to attack us. While it was obvious our sources weren't going to join in, there is no way to tell how many other people were asked or who was going to join up.

So we debated what to do for the better part of a month. Being as the small "hawk" and "dove" wings of the council pretty well cancel each other out, the moderates swung the vote over to war because we had solid intel about a clear and present danger to GREF, and it all led back to John. That's a legitimate casus belli in anyone's book. To allow John to assemble an army specifically to take us out would have been highly irresponsible on our part.

So there it is Nix, Yahuchtka, whoever else is interested. If you are backing John out of some sense of honor, you may want to re-evaluate the facts, because there is no honor to be found with him.

I've been playing SC for 1.5+ years now and have been a member of the UC for the majority of that time. I haven't been involved too much with the politics of the game and rarely engage in the general board banter.

But I can say this: Unless John had a secret agenda that was only shared with a few select members of the UC there was NO (none, zero, zip, nada) talk of war with GREF from him or anyone else in the UC in the weeks leading up to the current hostilities.

Maybe there were messages going out to everyone else in the fed but me....but I doubt it.

Look which one of you idiots is Q in disguise??? Thats all I wanna know.

You know its me Wendy. 78^)*

I AM Q! (a la Spartacus)

F*** Q who cares where he is and who he is. Let's deal with the situation at hand!

Actually I'm Q?

I thought was a secret EO?!???!!!

Jack -

I had to go back a ways and dig through our discussions of intel we received back in October, because I know you were mentioned in there somewhere.

So we got some chat transcripts from Oct 4 with Crossdale, John and others discussing how GREF was peaceful, but that UC should take us out anyway to stop us from spreading our wings", how GREF was going to be crushed, "squeeze first and ask questions later", preparing the troops, etc.

And then around Oct 7 there is a plea (via the UC common market I believe)from within UC to stop targeting GREF. (Why would this have even been brought up if this wasn't being discussed behind the scenes?) And to your credit, Jack, you replied saying that some of your best trading partners were in GREF, and that a war would make things difficult for you. And oddly enough, John chimes agreeing that GREF should not be attacked.

I am not really going to release more of our intel from those John tried to recruit, since we really appreciate our sources keeping us informed of this crap, and we hope they continue doing so....but it looks very much like John wasn't including you and some others in the UC in the real discussions, because you would have opposed the plans. Or leaked them, which ended up happening anyway.

If UC really is as inactive as is claimed, then there wouldn't have been much point to John rallying a bunch of presidents that wouldn't be around to heed the call anyway....and some of the few remaining active ones had already voiced their disapproval of the whole concept. So John did the next best thing, and tried to bring in active outsiders to do the job. I imagine it would have been presented to the UC at large as a fait accompli after the war had already started.

So there's another dose of straight up facts to ponder. And another reason we aren't targeting the UC in general - because most of them weren't involved or apparently even informed.

LOL

Please cross examine the thread "GREF SHOWS ITS TRUE COLOR". John and anyone else (within the few weeks) alotted never once plotted the demise of GREF. Myself and Beast do acknowledge there was a vote almost over a year and a half ago of attacking GREF but that did not go through.

If you examine the conversation that Abe and I had you will see pure evidence that GREF itself was always planning an attack on John regardless of what anyone did, just for the simple fact they felt it was in thier power to do so.

Slare, please stop spreading false allegations and trying to seduce any other players that are in UC to join you and your fed in thier views about John or UC. Since Jack has been in UC and many other members aswell, they have always been independant and know the value of loyalty and respect, where most of you don't.

Upon reading these forums you can tell who is mature and who is not, please leave this to the big boys and keep on building your corps and make money if that's what you really want to do.

Also, I have plenty of chat logs, forum convos, and many witnesses aswell if I want to further back up my statement.

Now furthermore, information is not and never was leaked out, there are simply mutual friends of GREF and UC where information may be exchanged on a common area. However, I think GREF is getting confused as to who is willing to help them in the long run. The best advice I can give to you Slare and GREF as federation DO NOT always assume that if you gain certain info from someone that they are on your side.

Thank you all for your time and consideration.

Crossdale

GREF did not exist a year and a half ago.

Yes you are right Tendo. I acknowledge that the time frame that I have given previously was not accurate. "Seems to me like GREF is dying. Haven't heard anything from them on the forum, no CEO requests, and nothing really. I have a friend in GREF and he said their forum is almost entirely inactive."- that quote was taken from a UC member from the UC forum who I will keep private, but this was posted in May 21, 2009 and most of the dates given where we talked, debated and discussed GREF's presence start in the month of May 2009. This is about 6-7 months ago.

Everyone please take the time to consider what was made to achieve peace on GR. GREF has broken this agreement and used this agreement for thier hidden agenda to attack without just cause. This was completed by my friend Nute Gunray.


NON-AGGRESSION PACT

--A pact against personal, economic, political and armed aggression between the United Confederation Federation on Golden Rainbow and the GREF Federation on Golden Rainbow


WE, THE UNDERSIGNED having the courage to stand as individual Federations united in friendship and brotherhood on the World of Golden Rainbow do hereby wish it to be known our beliefs.


WHEREAS we acknowledge that mere spoken agreements may prove themselves to be at times inept, to keep the members of our two Federations from entering into personal, economic, political and armed conflict.


THEREFORE we act as individuals and as federations, in order to change the world of Golden Rainbow for the better do enter into this pact of non-aggression.

ACKNOWLEDGING that adherence to this pact will require much effort and vigilance on the part of the leadership in both federations.

TO THESE ENDS we therefore establish and provide certain fundamental precepts measuring our conduct toward one another:

FIRST, that we declare that every member of the two federations have the right to be free from personal, economic, political and armed aggression by any member in the other federation

SECOND, that we believe neither federation should use the initiation of force, or threat of same, either personally or collectively, towards the other federation.

THIRD, that we shall regard the rights of both federations to remain neutral in any conflicts faced the other federation from sources other than these two federations. This agreement does not include any provision for Mutual Assistance or Mutual Defense and no one should be expecting to receive any such help from any members of the other federation.

FOURTH, that through trade or commerce we shall not exploit, nor be complicit in the exploitation of, the members of the other federation. Nor shall we engage in, or be complicit in any form of, economic warfare such as hostile bidding or boycotts against members of the other federation.

FIFTH, that by any reasonable means at our disposal we shall make sure that this pact is enforced by both federations.

SIXTH, recognizing that personal misunderstandings that arrive from time to that could cause some to be angry with others we agree that we should each establish and maintain 2 diplomatic representatives from each of our federations to be charged with working out reasonable solutions between the aggrieved members. We will have said diplomats assigned to a new joint diplomatic federation. Such diplomats should be paying members of simcountry, with a minimum of three real life months experience of playing simcountry and have at least two countries in their empires.

AND SO in full knowledge of the duties we freely commit ourselves to we do hereby agree to and sign this Pact.

Nous à la Confédération unitaire déclarons nos actions militaires de la défense pure et stratégique des mouvements militaires dans l'espoir de parvenir à la paix sur Golden Rainbow