World War On White Giant (White Giant)

@ Orbiter about MOP.

No one said he is not coming back, if your wish is to seek revenge against an absent player I have nothing to say about that except enjoy the raid because that is what it is regardless of your statement.

Stopping WGc from stepping in on the raid was an obvious objective of the larger war. The underlying motive was Orbiter's long standing issue with MOP who is now inactive. The Mob just cleared the way.

what ever dale, your attitude is getting old. the wounded victim...

you know, you got up and preached how you wanted to, and did create a fed that would protect new players. then went on to say that you don't even know how to do it with the war engine? if you want this war to fade away. you might wanna stop judging us. and calling us name. as we have avoided returning the same. and frankly we could return it. he have stated that you guy weren't a challenge, but thats more of a fact that we could not ignore. if it the war was really an asset raid, we'd still be fighting. we could start to insult you, and your every move, or lack of it. including, it seems that WGC's main defense, is to play the sympathy card.

i really have a beef with mop, when it originally happened, looking things over, i thought i could take him. but because of the "forced peace," and the fact that players are generally encouraged not to fight, i did not have the confidence then, that i do now. i truly would rather he be active. that is no lie.

it my understanding that he has been inactive for a VERY long time. and as such, because i'm in a position to, i will, as i don't see the point in waiting.

so stop trying to decipher my motivations. you aren't very good at it.

the assumption that any person who attacks another is a "raid," being incorrect

aside from that, Wendy is correct, i knew that i'd never be able to attack MoP, with out WGC getting in the way, so allying with the Mob to be able to repay MoP for his betrayal of my trust... would indeed, be correct

Attitude? You are in error sir, I believe I am quite calm and rational here in all my posts. I have not played victim, you are confusing my posts with others or are just not reading them.

I am sure you wish he was active, so do I, I am not questioning that. If you want to get your revenge against an absent player go for it, I am just pointing out a discrepency with what was stated above as the purpose for this war.

I am not preaching, I was simply stating the purpose of why we got together. I have admitted I failed in protecting those, show me where I did not do that. I dont see anywhere that I have judged or called anyone names, re-read my posts and you will see that.

I am not deciphering motivations, simply pointing out that this "fun war" was not just that, or it was but now it is about opertunism, which is fine, just admit it.

There are other things going on now and after WB said it was over, it is not. After WB said MOP would not be attacked, now he is.

It is you who are being defensive because what was said above is now, not being lived up to. That is on you and your mates and everyone will know from here on out that is how you operate and play the game.

Nothing wrong with it, I am just saying admit it, like you did above. I give your credit for posting your true motivations now. It is a grudge and your getting payback. Good for you, enjoy.

your very post, is labeling me, that is judgement.

you have a policy of holding your members accountable for their statement on the forum, but in this regard, you are separating them from yourself

you are not talking responsibility for the statements, or actions of you fed mates. but you expect WB to???

in regards to WB saying that inactives would not be attacked. he was unaware of my intentions. i had in the past explained them, but at those times, allot of other things were going on. allot of late nights. and often a point some one makes can be missed. it truly was just a brain fade moment, atleast thats my guess, as i don't really wanna speak for WB, i was irritated when i spoke to WB about standing down from MoP. he in fact told me to. then i explained my position, and he could only wash his hands of it... for the miscommunication on our level, i apologize.

but i will not apologize to for my current course.

So now I can't post and point out an action I think is unfair?? If I do I am judging you?? That is what this forum exists for. A forum is for statements, hence the reason it is called a forum.

As for being held accountable I am talking about an action, not statements. People are pissed and are going to express that, despite posts to the contrary we encourage people to speak up, we just do it on our own forum usually first but everyone is free to post here if they choose to.

I take your explanation as presented, and accept it.

WGC, why do you even post on behalf of your fedmates? Any of you?

You certainly didn't even TRY to help each other. You didn't even TRY to defend each other. You just demand that you're safe? That is idiocy. Why even have a federation?

So now you demand that a LONG TIME INACTIVE that will deregister soon anyways is left alone? So... you can look at his countries? You just let warplings deregister. That could have been 1000 gcs for one of your new players. What use is it just letting that stuff waste away anyways?

Wake up. You guys are a joke.

We post because we are friends.

As stated we were caught unprepared, and have admitted so. Reasons for fed have been stated, read back.

There is no demand, again, try reading back. Simply pointing out that what we were told would happen and then had opposite happen. Orbiter has explained. Wait, I guess you are posting on behalf of your fedmate, it must be somewhat okay then right?

Can always judge the level of arguement how fast name calling comes into it.

We act as a federation. You do not. Name calling came at the conclusion of a failed war, and is very accurate.

I have called no one names.

Was not our war either.

Different types of federations act different ways.

I am the one who called names Dale. lol.

So again I say, you can always judge the level of an arguement how fast name calling comes into it.

I believe the first names were called at the beginning of this thread.

I was referring to our back and forth. But you knew that.

Haha you're prompt on these repsonses Dale. Maybe attention to certain other parts of the game would prove more beneficial?

Already started my friend.

Didn't really want to get into this but also don't like being called a "thief" or a "thug". I was once part of the WGC. I still have friends in the WGC with whom I have communicated with during and since this war. This "uncontested" demolition was the LAST thing I expected from this war. As a member of the WGC, I heard stories of wars in past days and strategies for defensive and offensive setups. Hell, they even had a Rapid Response branch to thwart aggressors which I also took part in. I guess I'm still in shock that there was absolutely no fight. I guess since I was once WGC, I am now labeled as a traitor to them. If that's the way it has to be...so be it I guess. This war was supposed to be about a major challenge, and we often discussed the possibility of LOSING. It wasn't supposed to be like this...quite disappointing actually. I probably mislead my fedmates, The Mob, by telling them this would be a fierce battle. That being said...blame me for the misunderstanding. After I left the WGC and its "protective bubble", where we were discouraged to use the SC forum and GASP...NEVER use the SC chatroom...I got to meet new friends. There is nothing wrong with this. I had the privilege of meeting Whiteboy, EO, Serpent and Keto. Better friends and allies will NEVER be found. It has been an honor to be your fedmate. Thank you for taking the time to put me under your collective wings and help me develop my war skill and overall country management. If you look back at the WGC forum, I warned the WGC of this happening someday. Especially when they started expanding to GR and starting war with Wendy and company. I told them that one of these days....these players you are tormenting on other worlds will come to WG and pay you a visit. Guess what...Wendy came to WG and terrorized the WGC for a while. If you don't want to be in a war, why do you fight on other worlds? Seems you are misrepresenting yourselves and the WGC as a whole.
EC

WGC is not active on other worlds. Individual players are and are free to and if people want to cross over to get at them then I guess that is life.

You were right EC, someone came calling and we paid for it.

EC, You were "challenged" like the Japanese were on Dec 7 1941

Fool me once, shame on you
Fool me twice, shame on me

i've heard that line before, "The UC does not exists on LU," but hey, i see the point, i'll give it to you.

"For the record, Brian, this Hippy is a she and she is hardly Harmless, as you well know. " -jo

"As for Brian's latest offer ... oooh, that's a difficult one. Take it ... leave it ... take it ... leave it ... erm ...

I think we'll leave it thank you.

Now, can we get on with the war please?" -jo

so its my understanding that Jo is the VP, and Minister of Foreign Affairs, meaning she is speaking for WGC, and these statements, make WGC look like they are willing to aggressively defend themselves...

further, the way some of this is written, is actually humiliating to the target of what is said. which doesn't not allow the other person to step down while saving face. and almost provokes war.

it is the classic thing of bullies to be tuff when they have the advantage, but run away from a real fight? i'm wondering who the real bullies are!!!

"This little episode serves to demonstrate that WGC can and will defend its members' right to play this game peacefully and without interference." -Jo

can and will? really?

frankly, the mob came to WG to claim the crown of "best fed," as WGC seemed to hold that. To challenge for the the championship belt, as it were. And between Jo's forum posts, and as EC describes above. We had no reason to expect less.

as far as an "ambush," well, WGC was well aware of our presence on WG. As well as the track record of various members. Our histories, tendancies, and grudges.

when i first returned to WG for this mission, bombers were half price. it wasn't becuase some one was selling out, its just the way it was. over the last month, any one who would have looked at the demand for offensive and defences weapons should have been clued in to a massive build up. we were actively raiding players to help build up a power base.

WGC was aware of this, as i got messages from 2 WGC players regarding my attack on dboyd, who fought more bravely than nearly any WGC member, and managed to save most his empire.

given our presence, and the high demand for weapons/ammo, you'd think one of the 33 presidents would take a moment to look at our empires, and notice huge war slaves. strategically located countries, and C3s. Massive clusters, with huge air d wings. all a person in WGC had to do to see this coming was look. Doesn't WGC have ministers of defense or something?

We did everything but send a PM to WGC stating our intentions. Catching you with you pants down? Its not what we wanted, but jeese, as you admitted, it was you own fault. so stop blaming us for it!!!

seriously, if you are going to except responsibility for not being ready, then don't blame us!!!

this wasn't an asset raid. honestly, you out numbered us, and out gunned us. Had you lived up to your reputation of being willing to defend yourself, honestly, we may have really needed it!!!

But like EO said, you are a joke.

you shouldn't be calling us theives, and thugs. if we were, then their are a few more players that would be minus their empires, right now. Joe Green, Joe Digs, come to mind right away. but both those guys have great attitudes, and honestly, are to good to be in your fed. as they are/were willing to sacrifice their butts for the rest of you. who's only defense is to cry "foul,"

Well spoken Orbiter.

"it is the classic thing of bullies to be tuff when they have the advantage, but run away from a real fight? i'm wondering who the real bullies are!!!"


EO is a joke too, when his countries were being nuked by me on Lu he made a point to make a pitiful excuse of "Having Mental Problems" as the reason he went inactive after I depopped almost 60 million of his citizens. At least that was what was being passed around for his sudden inactivity. I'm sure the few people that repeated this in PMs to me becuase EO was the source of that rumor. I suddenly stopped nuking him and Keto, now that they feel they have the advantage or restocked uke defense they are both running their mouths crazy,,,, again.

On GR when his country was being nuked to snot, which he deserved, he quickly sold off a few remaining solid slaves, placed the rest in WP and began to commit to using c3s against John L.

So really you guys are more double tongued than the White Man on 'The Outlaw Josey Wales'

You say this, and do that.
You say that, and do this.

This was an asset raid. If you look from beginning to end, only some countries were promised in return for a 'fun war'.

It was said that you were offered a 5 on 5 deal, yet you refused to have a 'fun war'.

You said you would not asset raid econ players, and did so. I fear the only reason you doubled back was because of the public response.

Furthermore, Orbiter is now taking out a vengeance on 1's and 0's in an attempt to excuse it as a grudge with MOP. That is hardly true. Had WGC been intact Josias would have more than likely not been able to raid MOP. MOP is not on the computer, and given EOs statement, " What use is it just letting that stuff waste away anyways? , I think we can reafirm that this final act of asset raiding can be attributed to the fact that no one really believes this wasn't an asset raid, so why not take his countries?

Even funnier is this 'We act as a fed statement' yet Josias is now acting 'apart' from the Mob and it has nothing to do with the Mob. Contradiction upon contradiction within minutes of posting, yet you all act as a fed, yet are not on the same page with Public Relations. Several Econ players were targeted despite your first post EO, and some of your party decd econ players anyway.

You are Thieves and Thugs.
I think people really wouldn't care if you just had painted it how reality is showing.

I can respect a bad guy because I know he is a bad guy. Its the ones who masquerade as good guys and saviors that scare me. These are the pure evil of any bunch. I can avoid the bad guy knowing his intentions, but a wolf in sheep's clothing is sly as a snake, and crafty at fooling his victims into a false sense of security.

You guys for the last month or so have had just about everyone fooled claiming you want to help restore a game that you have managed to help destroy in just a few days time. You have done well to make people think you aren't thieves and thugs up until now, but people will call things how they are presented and the obvious is clear now. Great Job you've earned it.

Two faced scum of the slum.

EC, it would appear that it is not just your memory of WGC's military capability which is faulty. Let me refresh it for you:

WGC has never expanded to GR and WGC exists only on WG. The clue is in the name.

Some of our members play on GR and some of those are part of GREF. Others are part of UC. However, they are entirely different federations with entirely different ethos. GREF / UC members follow the ethos and direction of the leaders of GREF / UC and WGC does not legislate on which feds its members join or how they behave on other planets. I have said that many times on many different threads on this forum.

The reason WGC got into a war with Wendy was because of her ongoing battle with Kaymen on (I believe) LU. As far as I know, Kaymen never played on GR. When she attacked him on WG, as his fedmates WGC supported him and thus got involved in the war.

WGC members are never prohibited from posting to the game forum, except in very specific circumstances on a thread-by-thread basis, as evidenced by the many WGC members who have joined-in with this discussion and others.

WGC members ARE discouraged from getting into arguments (as opposed to discussions), insults and flamewars on this forum and WGC members who make posts which put their fedmates at risk are held liable for the consequences of their actions. That is as far as it goes.

WGC have always been the lame duck of WG. This isn't really a surprising outcome.

And the fact that they're crying foul is just another sign of the times. W3 have presided over the decline of this econo-war game. Now it's just economy. Players are too afraid to fight, in case they lose their assets. And, when they do lose them, they cry about it.

Predictable.