Some things are easier said than done. If you attacked me, my position is to attack you, regardless of what you've taken or if I can't win. This in itself is one of the last truly effective deterrents. Futile maybe, but the possibility would most certainly make an aggressor think twice, or not even attack at all. That said this is a game. People have a real problem with long drawn out wars. I think this is wrong. If you can choose to get a few buddies and cut through some cake rather quickly I should be able to wage war in whatever manner I wish. Long short drawn out or whatever. This should not be limited to what You or anyone considers morally correct. The group of players on the recieving end of what you did feel it was not morally correct as well as other players in the game. A truly effective war, involving c3s or whatever other means were necessary to mete out an appropriate revenge should always be available to victims or recipients(better said) of attacks.
I find it truly disgusting that change after proposed change made by your camp ONLY catered to exactly how you all would go about a war, and limited a respondent of possible means to respond. The changes were requested before a war like this, becuase you expected to win handily, despite the propaganda showing itself now on the forums. You confirmed this expectation with threats and ultimatums from the top of the thread that announced the war decs.
"Those of you that have been decd upon, we have chosen you for obvious reasons, the rest of you who are active players, if you don't get involved in the war then your countries will be left exactly as they are with the only caution being that if c3 wars, etc are used against us, we will turn this into a no holds barred fight. But again, knowing this, I do not think the leadership of WGC will take that path but that is indeed their choice." Whiteboy
Prime example, wouldn't you say. So change c3 wars, then change the limits of value or whatever, so if the you took enough countries they wouldn't be left with much anything of value, and literally not been allowed to attack. Or had been left with only countries large enough to suicide themselves against an already established country you guys had. So it would be futile. So systematically taking out the largest countries would basically by logistics make a retaliation impossible. And then on top of that take all c3s out of any scenario. We now have gang style tactics = win. And you lobbied for changes to be able to secure exactly that reality. Than you guys ask for say nuke defence batts to derreg after everything else. Why. Because your guys stuff offensive weapons beyond capacity and hope that nothing derregs like you can't count or something. When the nuke defense goes down, the war engine isn't working right...LoL WGC could have if they were determined or organized /prepared to nuked half of your attacking countries and got some countries to derreg to blunt the attack. But that didn't happen. And now, the logical thing for me to do if I was them is nuke your arses to snot for lack of any better resolution, but hey, that is just me.
And now the option you present is that of "after what just happened, I would just let things go"
Rather weak expectations. If they worked so long and hard to build and maintain that federation and you have basically ruined a lot of games in a very short span, why wouldn't they or anyone who cared not want to exact an appropriate response. Basically Slade is on the other thread threatening to go after MOPs countries anyway, even after Josias broke whatever perceived notion that this wasn't to be an asset raid. It seems to me that the threat is continued and you guys are kicking them while they are down, it doesn't satisfy you all to know that you have won a lopsided war, you want them to get on a knee and beg you to stop. Where I come from we got solutions for shite like that. Grind the axe till there is no metal left. If I was as member rich as WGC, I would do exactly what you don't want them to do. C3 war. I do a bunch of crap and I am just one person. Imagine what 5 or 10 or more coordinated c3 warriors could do. And basically you said you would take the gloves off but be honest, they have been off, you guys insulted and downed many people for naturally being upset, all the while throwing stones my way about me ruining peoples game. There was no honor in what you guys did, so should WGC be confined to some imaginary code of no c3 fighting. They didn't attack you , you all attacked them, and still don't seem to want to stop despite all we heard on other posts.
So basically it's like since you didn't agree that what we did was cool as hell, we'll keep going, but you knew they would react this way and planned to use it as an excuse for a continuation, I'm sure you never meant to put your feet so far in your mouths saying this wasn't an asset raid, but the public response was so overwhelming that you had to try and save some face, now onto BS excuses for raiding further inactives in the name of a grudge of an opponent who isn't even present, like not available to fight present, but like not logging in for a long time present. Yet you still somehow think they should just lay down and take it, because what exactly? Oh, cuz this was fun and you guys are saving the game.
Man I wish I had a mind like yours to see the things you see, and know the things you know, and the foresight to see how this was going to be so fun and beneficial to the game. Bring new players encourage new feds, new growth, and stifle ongoing decay(as you say) of the game. I need to see why you slapping someone in the face is the reason they should not slap you back. This logic is beautiful, where did you study this philosophy so that I may get my fill of this hidden knowledge, Josias. Of all people I didn't expect such a shallow move from you. I know how they are but you... you... you are like that Wolf in sheep's clothing we mentioned on the other threads. See I respect a bad guy for what they are, I avoid them and keep one in the chamber in case they get too close, but you...you... you might be the one to have me drop my guard and sit the gun down right before you try to strong arm rob me. That is a truly scary thought. This is why communication is down among players, and mistrust is on the rise because people like you, appear to be that kewl guy you could get on with and fed up with, and build up next to and such, and then you'd be in the fed a week later with the people taking my empire. I'm done... amazingly, I just wanna dig in some arse. I wish there were more determined individuals.
You completely and utterly disappoint me Josias, not that it means much, you are way above my grade anyway, right.