Topic Change: New Idea for C3 Warfare (White Giant)

Many of you have read and commented on the post regarding c3 warfare and the solution to it began by Abe (Zeba). It's become a bit long and tedious so I thought maybe people weren't interested in spending the time to read all of it to see what the arguments were.

I have a new idea that I think almost everyone can agree with and I'd like to see what you all think.

Many have made the argument that c3 warfare shouldn't be limited as it is a type of guerilla/terrorist/kamikaze warfare. I don't entirely agree with this point as it is ultimately state-sponsored (we know who is calling the shots and it isn't the c3). However, in order to compromise I have suggested the following:

Terrorists/guerillas do not have nuclear weapons, neither should the terrorist/guerilla organizations of Simcountry. Nuclear weapons require a large degree of sophistication and technology, for both upkeep and launch. A terrorist or guerilla organization would not posses nor be able to launch nuclear weapons (especially 30k kilometers, that would require far more resources and understanding than what would be contained in a terrorist cell).

So, only established and educated countries should be allowed to launch nuclear weapons. The exact details of that definition have yet to be discussed, my initial thought is at least 20-25 mil pop and at least 120 ed index.

If you combine this new rule with limiting war protection on FB (as it is the *war* world) then I think you could please maybe 90% of the regular players of this game.


I believe this makes sense in relation to both real life and the game, what are your thoughts?

Well, Makes sense to me :D


It would stink for me tho because i only have like 17M pop in my main country. But, I would say more like, The main country, would not really require it, because its the leader of the empire, and would be the most likey more taken care of country then the others. but the slave countrys of the empire,would need to have around 20M+ish population, and have ed index over 150, And have other indexs over 90.So its not like every thing else is low and just high Edu index.

So thats my opinion on it.
And, Hi Whiteboy, Never really have said hi to you before

I think I am NOT a terrorist organization, I am the dignified Empress of the Inanni Peoples.

I think you spam too much.

So for your efforts, I'll offer you a great Big bowl of Shut the Hizzelle Izzup and top it off with a large portion of pepperjack CHEEZE!!!

I'd go for that idea Whiteboy

Hugs and respect

Jo

I agree that nukes should be limited in C3's, due to their undeveloped nature, but I would rather see the GM focus on making changes that will have a larger impact on curbing C3 warriors.

I continue to think that C3s need to be limited in strength and not be able to get a 100WI by ordering 100 forts with 1 click. To this end I proposed that we limit the maximum allowable forts in countries under 15 mil.
- People can still use them for Gorilla Warfare.

Assets need to be increased in these C3s...what country would declare war without a descent stockpile of weapons and ammo? Even in the case of the Kamikaze argument...you can't have a suicide bomber without bombs...now can you?!?

Interesting...this idea seems to be not so controversial.

I don't think singling out nukes addresses the "stay in wp, fight with c3" tactic at all. Maybe one player's style of implementing it, but she'll certainly adapt. I'm not against it, but I don't think it will affect the game much.

I realy like that idea WB, it makes a ton of sence. Taking a c3 then tossing a bunch of nukes from it is unrealistic, it would take years of development and a good infrastructure to be able to launch nuclear missiles.

I know Jojo...that's why I said it should be combined with limits to WP for FB specifically as it's the war world. Nukes are of particular issue as they are simple, cheap and with a single hole in someone's defense due to either oversight or deactivation it becomes a black hole of issues. If c3 warfare is going to be described as guerilla/terrorist warfare and thus should be allowed, then it should be made realistic.

I don't think the key in this is to have a huge effect on the game, just to create some sort of balance in which a single player can't hold other players or feds hostage for weeks on end. FB is where I think huge changes are necessary to bring the world alive again, but most people can at least concede that it is indeed the war world and security should not come so easily there...it should be earned, not purchased. *edit* Also, c3 warfare on other worlds is much more difficult than on FB due to the worker requirements for weapons...which creates an entirely different dynamic. Plus honestly I'm just trying to find a place where we can get large agreement.

Oh...and hello Barren

Along with the 'No Nukes for C3's' idea, how about making it so that a c3 cant have the military capability it can have. After all, when all the corps are destroyed and workers are transferred, you can have a mighty tough country. A 10M pop country should not be able to support that kind of military. At most it should only be a minor nuisance with no real capability to take a 50-60M pop country.

Just an idea!

Yeah funk it, lets just change everything while we are at it. I don't even like the game anyway. How about redesigning everything from scratch.

Why don't you just find another game too.

Just a thought.

i agree i like it

sticky side down Windy!

SOME OF US HAVE INVESTED A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT BUILDING AN EMPIRE ON FB WITH THE RULES JUST AS THEY ARE AND NOW YOU WANT TO TAKE AWAY WP ON THE PLANET.WILL I BE ABLE TO MOVE MY ASSETS TO ANOTHER WORLD,OR JUST LEAVE THEM THERE FOR SOME FED TO TAKE.
BIGG E

That's a great question Biggie and I'm sure one that a lot of people would ask...I have no idea. If I had it my way, which doesn't mean much, then I'd say if WP was removed completely then of course...if it was limited so that you couldn't use it if you declared war on others then no...but in that case you could just stay in WP just as you have been with no issue.

"Yeah funk it, lets just change everything while we are at it. I don't even like the game anyway. How about redesigning everything from scratch.

Why don't you just find another game too.

Just a thought." - Wendy

Why stay if you dont like the game?
Were'nt you leaving?

I was leaving last month becuase I thought I would have to place more of my free time elsewhere. Funny things didn't turn out that way.

The comment was a joke, in response to Serpent's post. Keep up with the rest of us. Or, try to.

I like the game as is. If I didn't, I wouldn't have renewed membership several times. And I certainly am not spamming for changes over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over ...

I hope that cleared up any confusion dubletar.

Wendy you are your own worst enemy...spam somewhere else.

If you don't like this "spamming debate" then why dont you just get your nose out of it then? If you havn't noticed, there are alot of intelligent suggestions and its a good debate, and perhaps the most involved topic i have ever seen here. You have done nothing but sound stupid, cheeze this, fartz that, i mean, are you like 2 years old? Have you said anything remotely resembling anything with a hint of intelligence ? And i laughed when I saw your response "Try to keep up with the rest of us.." Do you always have a smart ass remark for everyone? I'm sure you haven't even tried to keep up with the rest of us. Act your age and get some manners.

Regards Homerdome

The more I think about it, the more I agree with the principle of only allowing the use of nukes for countries over a certain population and certain indexes.

Maybe a level limitation would work? No nukes unless the empire is at level ... 10? 12?

That would ensure that only players with something to protect could use them.

Hugs and respect

Jo

PS: It would also provide a simple answer to all those n00bs asking "Can u sel me nuks?"

I agree with the no nukes for c3s until they have a minimum pop. I would suggest at least 30 mil pop, and an economy that can afford a military, or maybe the c3 has to be a country for say 1 real month or 21 real days like the rules are now (a new pres. can't declare on another pres. within 21 days).

I suggest in order to declare war that all ones countries are out of wp except for their main, on any world.

"Wendy you are your own worst enemy...spam somewhere else." ~zeb00b

Agreed, with an enemy like myself who needs friends.

"Do you always have a smart ass remark for everyone?" ~FakeGuy Feeling Accepted Now

Great question.

Short Answer: Yes, In fact I do.

Long Answer: I don't love the air you breathe, know your role, and shut yer mouth.

Practical, Typical, Wendy Style Smart Ass Remark: Don't you have some "gardening" to do you Pansie. Wear that Sun Dress I like so I can see those hairy legs.

TA DA ! saw that comming... you should learn to shut your legs

Actually, the smell you smell is your mouth, learn when to keep it closed

Guys...lets keep this thread on point. Wendy will continue trying to derail as it is in her best interest that nothing changes on this front. Whatever comments are made just don't respond and we'll go on having a conversation about the idea. I think this is a good one...very broad support.