THIS BETTER GET FIXED (Little Upsilon)

WHY WHY!!! Ive been losing cash from my CEO for 2weeks now even though i make a profit and i get no response from the GM what the hell is going on??? Am i the only person with this issue?

What is the name of your enterprise?

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Nope.

I have had the same problem. Profits are okay but more money than I am making is being pumped in to corps and it's costing a small fortune each month.

Same thing here.

The listed profits appear to be false. Supply (or salary) costs appear to be about 12.5% higher than what is reported. It is very difficult to track without having the 'server-side' interface to see all the data, but using a new corporation that had no sales and one world month production, it appeared that this was the cause.

On top of that, if enterprise profits are falsely high, then the 'Enterprise Tax' would also be charging extra.

Here is an example:
An enterprise called "Good, Bad and Ugly"" say has about 500 corporations.

"The Good"
Each corporation is doing OK, but not great, and say they make about 4.5B SC$ in sales per world month (about 54B SC$ per world year).

Costs are "reported" at say 4B SC$ per world month, for a "profit" of 0.5B SC$ (or 500M SC$).

OK, so that looks pretty good, and the enterprise then would have 500 of those corporations, and would report monthly profits of about 250B SC$.

The 'Enterprise Tax' then would charge some amount, probably around 50B SC$. So, you would think that things are going reasonably OK, you are making 250B SC$ gross (enterprise) profit, then 200B SC$ net (enterprise) profit.

At six 'spins' per [earth] day, that's about 1.2T SC$ net cash increase, and you'd probably be pretty happy with that result.

"The Bad"
But, what actually appears to happen, is that "costs" are under-reported, probably from the supplies purchases (though salaries could be a factor also).

In the same case, what you would have is, the 500 corporations actually spending about 12.5% more on supplies/salaries, which would raise the "actual" costs from 4B to 4.5B SC$ per world month, and that would then equal the sales total, making --0-- profit per corporation.

Total enterprise profit would then also be --0--, but, since the enterprise falsely over-reports profits, the 'Enterprise Tax' still charges you the 50B SC$, so you end up losing that amount.

At six 'spins' per [earth] day that's about 300B SC$ losses to enterprise cash.

"The Ugly"
The difference then, between the two would be +1.2T SC$ (should have received) vs -300B SC$ (actually paid), for a total net loss of about 1.5T SC$ per [earth] day.

("..and, not as Ugly...")
In the case of 4 'spins', the numbers would just be reduced by 33% both ways, so total losses would be about 1T SC$ instead.

fix your ugly or shut down the ugly
0% profit payment is better
If you want the money you must get the power.
So if you have stuff that don't have power you can't get the money
first you get the power then come the money never forget that
stop at 300 quality any more and you waste the money
also the power does cost some aka upgrades

Matt, your superlative balladry make one recall the effulgent works of Homer, Virgil, Milton, and LittleHitler.

also, often i can check a corp that says its making money, but it keeps taking out loans. because the cash level just is not going up. even though the corp may have always been making a profit.

nope scarface

lmao BC...

I agree super. They need to look into this.

I guess it got fixed.

We checked many corporations and we see no systematic problem.
there was also no change recently that could cause this.

short term, corporate profit does not correlate to corporate cash.
Long term it does.

Corporations buy raw materials in large quantities and also, the cost of upgrades goes off the cash, not influencing the profit.

We will keep watching it.

So Tom, what would you put 4 enterprises going from profitable with no cash flow issues to still profitable but losing billions and products which sold with no problems on a commonly used trade strategy now do not sell for several months?

It isn't the purchase of raw materials which has caused these problems and it isn't upgrades being bought.

I am now losing several trillion a day and I would like to know why.

https://sim05.simcountry.com/cgi-bin/cgi2nova?SN_ADDRESS=wwwCountry&SN_METHOD=w3graph&miTable=enthist&miKey=6847&miColumn=vEnterpriseCash

https://sim05.simcountry.com/cgi-bin/cgi2nova?SN_ADDRESS=wwwCountry&SN_METHOD=w3graph&miTable=enthist&miKey=6847&miColumn=vEnterpriseMonthProfit

The first link shows cash loss. Second shows how i'm making a profit. Id like to know how im making 200B according to your system but i'm reality i'm losing that plus 80B monthly?

Last Month Cash 3,682.01B SC$
Interest Received 0.00B SC$
Interest Paid 0.00B SC$
Loan Paybacks Received 0.00B SC$
New Loans Taken 0.00B SC$
Loans Paid Back 0.00B SC$
New Loans Given 0.00B SC$
Cost of Setting Up New Corporations 0.00B SC$
Corporations bought, closed or moved and Enterprise Tax -368.83B SC$
Income from Selling Corporations 0.00B SC$
Cash from Closed Corporations 0.00B SC$
Materials Purchased on the Market 0.00B SC$
Materials Sold on the Market 0.00B SC$
Raw Materials Purchased from own Corporations 0.00B SC$
Raw Materials Sold to own Corporations 0.00B SC$
Cash Transfers To and From Corporations -205.00B SC$
Profit Payments and Cash Transfers 261.65B SC$
Bonuses and Awards 0.00B SC$
Cost of Financial Services 0.00B SC$
Cash Exchanged for Gold Coins 0.00B SC$
Income/Cost of Shares 0.00B SC$
Income from Dividend from Public Corporations 0.00B SC$

Cash Available 3,369.83B SC$

Tom, you didn't check enough corporations or you are blind to the problem, which is it?

The figures above are a typical month's profit/loss for several enterprises on several worlds.

There is clearly a problem, so how about you admit it and fix it?

Incidentally, no corporations were bought, sold or moved - Enterprise tax is being miscalculated and not in a beneficial way.

I'm not seeing any of this. 2 LU CEOs, 2 KB ones.

I think you need to look a bit more carefully at trends and the figures, I'm not sure.

Whats your CEO name kite, and if you want I can see if I can find anything, two heads is always better than one.

Thanks CC.

Those figures are from Solar Holdings on LU.

Seeing the same here. Two countries, little if any change in settings, number of corps, infrastructure, etc., but have had a drop from 40 to 60% in profit for a few game months now, spec. from enterprise corps.

Taxes paid by Citizens 47,964.98M SC$
Health Contributions and Cost 16,773.74M SC$ 19,763.90M SC$
Education Contributions and Cost 8,981.98M SC$ 11,990.61M SC$
Interest on Outstanding Loans 0.00M SC$ 0.00M SC$
Taxes paid by Corporations 79,037.01M SC$
Profit paid by State Owned Corporations 0.00M SC$
Income from Enterprises 51,892.18M SC$
Social Security Payments 22,441.91M SC$
Transportation System 8,013.53M SC$
General Cost of Government 32,974.01M SC$
Total Defense Cost 1,769.84M SC$
Income from Dividend 0.00M SC$
Beginners Income Booster 0.00M SC$

Total Income and Cost 204,649.90M SC$ 96,953.79M SC$
Profit / Shortage 107,696.10M SC$

54 state corps in this country, including air transport, chemicals, electric power, household products and oil. yet not a single penny was paid in profit transfer - which is set to 95%.

Please don't insult our collective intelligence any further, Tom.

the only way ud not be making many money is they not making money themselves

Flashes of Klarina of Klarina. I've never known of anyone else to put Tom on Blast and in turn he lays down and takes it lol.

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Lol!

I'm Klarina?

Tsk... you thought I was someone else before, and you were wrong.


Last Month Cash 2,345.44B SC$
Interest Received 0.00B SC$
Interest Paid 0.00B SC$
Loan Paybacks Received 0.00B SC$
New Loans Taken 0.00B SC$
Loans Paid Back 0.00B SC$
New Loans Given 0.00B SC$
Cost of Setting Up New Corporations 0.00B SC$
Corporations bought, closed or moved and Enterprise Tax -49.62B SC$
Income from Selling Corporations 0.00B SC$
Cash from Closed Corporations 0.00B SC$
Materials Purchased on the Market 0.00B SC$
Materials Sold on the Market 0.00B SC$
Raw Materials Purchased from own Corporations 0.00B SC$
Raw Materials Sold to own Corporations 0.00B SC$
Cash Transfers To and From Corporations -205.00B SC$
Profit Payments and Cash Transfers 162.05B SC$
Bonuses and Awards 0.00B SC$
Cost of Financial Services 0.00B SC$
Cash Exchanged for Gold Coins 0.00B SC$
Income/Cost of Shares 0.00B SC$
Income from Dividend from Public Corporations 0.00B SC$

Cash Available 2,252.87B SC$

At least Enterprise Tax looks correct this time. I haven't done anything which affects cash flow since my previous set of figures were posted - this means that my LU enterprise has lost approximately 1.4T in just over 24 hours. As I mentioned before, this problem has been going on for some time now and on 3 different worlds. The cost runs into trillions - I hope Laguna is right and the lost cash is returned, but somehow I doubt it very much. After all, we haven't even had acknowledgement of a problem, nevermind an apology or a pledge to fix it as soon as possible.