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Inanna
All worlds
18 Apr 2012 11:05Link
Okay, I have shaved a ton off of my enterprise expenses. My CEOs were losing a hefty sum of cash every game month since the last update. I've reduced salary costs, material costs. I've been trying just about everything.
I have switched my sale strategy to sup par quality strategies like 5 under reduce by 5 every month product not sold.
After that setting did not work, I used 10 under reduce by 10 every month product not sold.
So, the enterprise let off a spike in turnover one month, and has turnover has decreased ever since. Despite shaving salaries by 150B and shaving another
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Before the most recent updates 3 of my largest CEO's brought in on average 400-600B each game month, and before those updates, 1 Trillion each avg.
Why shouldn't they make 1T? I like making money. The point is not about how much they make or were making, my point rather rests on how much they are never making. Barely crossing over .1 Trillion and consistently making negative gains to the tune of -200B or better.
I have extended to 10 under and take 10 for each month product is not sold. I will track the results and am afraid I do not see much improvement. I think the real mechanism bringing
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I have switched my sale strategy to sup par quality strategies like 5 under reduce by 5 every month product not sold.
After that setting did not work, I used 10 under reduce by 10 every month product not sold.
So, the enterprise let off a spike in turnover one month, and has turnover has decreased ever since. Despite shaving salaries by 150B and shaving another
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Andy
All worlds
18 Apr 2012 22:44Link
If your sale strategy was already under quality, the changes are probably more related to the reduction in pricing.
check your raw material cost in the coming game months. they trail a bit and as we explained with this update, corporations have raw materials that were bought earlier.
Lets have another look tomorrow.
This enterprise should not return 3/4 trillion a month. why should it?
There is no such CEO doing this each month.
I have seen 2T followed by -1.5T. this is what we call fluctuations.
3/4 T is what it used to do when 1T was, what is now 0.1T
check your raw material cost in the coming game months. they trail a bit and as we explained with this update, corporations have raw materials that were bought earlier.
Lets have another look tomorrow.
This enterprise should not return 3/4 trillion a month. why should it?
There is no such CEO doing this each month.
I have seen 2T followed by -1.5T. this is what we call fluctuations.
3/4 T is what it used to do when 1T was, what is now 0.1T
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Inanna
All worlds
18 Apr 2012 23:09Link
<!-Quote-!>Quote:This enterprise should not return 3/4 trillion a month. why should it?
There is no such CEO doing this each month.
I have seen 2T followed by -1.5T. this is what we call fluctuations.
3/4 T is what it used to do when 1T was, what is now 0.1T<!-/Quote-!>
Before the most recent updates 3 of my largest CEO's brought in on average 400-600B each game month, and before those updates, 1 Trillion each avg.
Why shouldn't they make 1T? I like making money. The point is not about how much they make or were making, my point rather rests on how much they are never making. Barely crossing over .1 Trillion and consistently making negative gains to the tune of -200B or better.
I have extended to 10 under and take 10 for each month product is not sold. I will track the results and am afraid I do not see much improvement. I think the real mechanism bringing
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Inanna
All worlds
18 Apr 2012 23:25Link
Golden Rainbow seems to be making a consistent gain of 64B for the past few game months.
However turnover is lower than before and still making small decrease, possibly flattening out.
I have to date shaved 130B from salaries and and material costs have slumped by some 300B and continuing the decline.
The factor of profit I am making strikes me as familiar, I remember you saying a player who was making similar note of CEO profits made 60B last game month.
Is 60B the baseline you want for 750 corps in a ceo to return? If so I have to argue that is way too low. I will give some room because things are moving down as you say, but this is also the reason the picture is too murky for us to demonstrate what we really are seeing.
However turnover is lower than before and still making small decrease, possibly flattening out.
I have to date shaved 130B from salaries and and material costs have slumped by some 300B and continuing the decline.
The factor of profit I am making strikes me as familiar, I remember you saying a player who was making similar note of CEO profits made 60B last game month.
Is 60B the baseline you want for 750 corps in a ceo to return? If so I have to argue that is way too low. I will give some room because things are moving down as you say, but this is also the reason the picture is too murky for us to demonstrate what we really are seeing.
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Scarlet
All worlds
18 Apr 2012 23:43Link
Easy way of determining if your enterprise is glitched:
The Use*Utilization*Last Price Paid doesn't add up.
Posted in the other thread as well.
The Use*Utilization*Last Price Paid doesn't add up.
Posted in the other thread as well.
| Omega (fine) | Use | Util | Last Price | Cost | |
| Chem | 20000 | 1.064 | 3497 | 74416160 | |
| Elec | 140000 | 1.064 | 1846 | 274980160 | |
| EP | 750 | 1.064 | 191488 | 152807424 | |
| Elect | 140000 | 1.064 | 1876 | 279448960 | |
| Glas | 150000 | 1.064 | 2504 | 399638400 | |
| High | 90000 | 1.064 | 1532 | 146704320 | |
| Plas | 150000 | 1.064 | 2419 | 386072400 | |
| Serv | 75000 | 1.064
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Inanna
All worlds 19 Apr 2012 00:11Link
On LU generally, this is what I am talking about. A graph like this is what I am talking about.
I am making minimal gains so 43B this month, but mixed with loses of up to -120B. This is horrible. The corps that are suffering from not selling production, or selling it too low, are sucking cash from my cash position and pumping it fast. Any month I am making any money it is overshadowed by cash transfers to my corps. By much more. Also, the turnover since using the settings you have given, has reduced my overall turnover considerably. Before I entered your settings, turnover was around 4.1T up to 4.7T and is now down to an average of 3.5T and stabilizing. I have shaved 190B off salaries and another 500B in supplies costs. This is not translating to a S
Scarlet
All worlds 19 Apr 2012 00:19Link
Oh, so you're just complaining that you can't figure out how to make money. Nevermind, I'll be going.
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Andy
All worlds 19 Apr 2012 09:39Link
I just removed a text by Inaana because of the language used.
We are back to square one. Another such contribution and Inanna will be off the forum for a very long time. A
Andy
All worlds 19 Apr 2012 09:41Link
Check your corporations and give me an example of one, losing a lot of money and not improving lately while the price of the product on the market is good (shortage).
My impression is that they are all improving, stabilizing and will deliver sustainable profit long term unless the product they produce goes into a surplus. Corporations must be profitable under normal conditions or otherwise all countries and everyone will make losses. They are and will be more stable than before. Private corps may make a little less profit in the long run, but they contribute a lot of money to the country where they reside and their profit does not need to be used to support the economy of a country. This has always been the principle behind corporations. They should earn you money but they don't make you rich. As of today, last game month, the total profit+loss of all countries was 170T. with Ts much bigger now than before, I
Inanna
All worlds 19 Apr 2012 12:31Link
I would appreciate you clarifying what text was so terrible that you needed to threaten to remove me from the forum, again, please. I would like to know ahead of time because I cannot determine what it was.
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Inanna
All worlds 19 Apr 2012 12:40Link
I'll appreciate the clarification.
On the other hand, although you took the time to type a very long response, none of it addressed any of what I was talking about. Once again it is back to "prove it" even though there is nothing that needs to be proved. I see profits and losses. I make no claims about specific corporations, but I did about my enterprises in general. Why do you require one example to outweigh the entire lot of corporations as a total? I am selling products in various corporations, I used the inputs you supplied, including in addition my own cost saving measures, yet nothing positive has come of it. You have a funny way of diverging way off topic when you don't have a rational answer. Not to offend you, but I didn't know if you were aware of it, or if it is a subconscious defense mechanism. R
Redman
All worlds 19 Apr 2012 12:56Link
Sheesh you are clueless Big A. Absolutely clueless. You don't live in this reality at all.
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Inanna
All worlds 19 Apr 2012 13:06Link
Maybe he read something too fast, or something, because I truly don't understand what I said that could be so horrible to receive a warning like that.
I don't think it is fair to warn me, but not clue me in as to what you are talking about. I'd rather correct a mistake instead of thinking you just want to railroad me off the forum, for any other number of seemingly random reasons. Andy? Do you remember why you erased my post? If so, can you tell me what words were horrible or unacceptable so I do not repeat them. Do I have to walk on eggshells here or what? It sure is beginning to feel that way. C
Christopher Michael
All worlds 19 Apr 2012 17:13Link
I'm not trying to tell the GM's their business, however, Scarlet needs to watch his tone as well.
His sarcasm is hateful and inappropriate at times, including the comment he made just above the one the GM's removed from Wendy. A
Andy
All worlds 19 Apr 2012 19:05Link
Christopher,
we never removed comments because of criticism. Just bad mouth, (in this case). Read the forum again and see how much criticism is there about me and others. That's all OK. people as we all know, are easy with criticism when the target is many miles away and you can just say what you want. The entire internet is full of that. Bad language is not acceptable. R
Redman
All worlds 19 Apr 2012 23:25Link
We are easy with criticism when we email specific cases to you with graphs, numbers, dates, country names, worlds, money amounts, circumstances and conditions under which certain things have happened which we believe to be wrong. Then, waiting for at least a reply that NEVER comes. Not a word. Not even a "we are looking into it". Not even a "Sorry it's your mistake".
QueenBikini has sent no less then 4 of these such emails to your gamemaster email addy. Your gamemaster department doesn't have the courtesy to acknowledge her. She spent a long time putting those together so you could not possibly twist things around. And for what? So yeah, welcome to some criticism. I have sent 1 and another about game level rewards, which, as I have found out was my misunderstanding of the rewards. None the less not even an acknowledgement. It doesn't matter to me if you were right next to me and not across the pond, I'd s C
Christopher Michael
All worlds 19 Apr 2012 23:56Link
I got you Andy. I appreciate your interaction with us!
You are right; it is very easy to sit behind a keyboard and be inappropriate and nasty. (Redman, this is not directed at your comment) I
Inanna
All worlds 20 Apr 2012 16:36Link
I just asked what words he considered bad mouth.
Of considerable note. Andy has not responded. Because there is nothing worthy of threatening to remove me in any of what I posted in the comment he removed. If so, I would like clarification. I don't like fabrications and false accusations. Andy I do have an email if you don't want to place whatever it was on the forum again. If you can't say what was so bad to threaten me in that manner, you should apologize. I won't hold my breath. A
Andy
All worlds 20 Apr 2012 18:26Link
I have no problem with criticism and we answer all mails we receive. Start asking around because many of the people on the forum had multiple mail exchanges with us, including Inanna and Jo but many many others.
sometimes it can take some time to answer but we currently have no waiting mails at all. if you did not get an answer, it probably landed in the spam filter. Corporate values are increasing for some time now because when profits are increasing in corporations, their value starts to increase. we said before these changes, that the cost will take longer to decline because of stocks in corporations and this is indeed exactly what happened, hence the temporary decline in values. Some corporation values were based on offering products above their quality. these corporations may have difficulties, lower profits and declining values. There is nobody in the market who wants to purchase these products at Q
QueenBikini
All worlds 20 Apr 2012 20:11Link
Now I am spam. I will not wasted my time and effort in the future. : (
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Christopher Michael
All worlds 21 Apr 2012 00:24Link
The GM's have always answered my emails; thank you.
However, how does a person know if their email has landed in a spam box? No answer back? How does a player keep that from happening? The 'Contact Us' button on my home page does not work. I don't know if this is the case with others or not. If it works for everyone, that may alleviate the 'spam filter' issue. Of course, it may also flood the GM with more emails than can be handled.......so maybe it doesn't work for a reason?? I hope that there is a more empathetic answer than 'it might have landed in a spam filter'. That can't make a player feel very good with the way that statement came across. A
Andy
All worlds 21 Apr 2012 00:31Link
we know that some times our answers go into the spam box.
we had several cases we answered mails and the player kept saying we do not answer. I did not know that anything is wrong with the contact us link. we will check it. but we do get mails from players every day. I don't know what to do with a claim that we never answer mails while we are answering all. what do you think? K
Keto
All worlds 21 Apr 2012 01:42Link
I think someone like yourself should be at least answering questions in these forums every day. You have been very helpful the last few weeks answering questions daily, and I can speak for all of us fine players, we appreciate your effort Andy.
Also, dont beat around the bush. If the GMs dont have an answer just say so, and say you are looking into it. Honesty goes a long way. K
Kolenski
All worlds 21 Apr 2012 02:16Link
CEOs broken by new under quality sales strategy ...
My CEO's were broken also since updates because (for one thing) my sales strats that had always worked no longer did. Once I changed them (ALL of them) my situation improved considerably. I assume I may have to make more changes as there is more updating. And in conjunction ... Andy said: Corporate values are increasing for some time now because when profits are increasing in corporations, their value starts to increase. we said before these changes, that the cost will take longer to decline because of stocks in corporations and this is indeed exactly what happened, hence the temporary decline in values. This is exactly what it looks like has been happening in my CEO's. Bottom line is they took a big hit but are now bouncing back, I think partially due to changing the sales strats but also because they are using up the old stock. I a J
Jo Salkilld
All worlds 21 Apr 2012 03:21Link
The GMs have always answered my emails. However, I don't use the 'contact us' click link. I email them directly at gamemaster@simcountry.com.
If anyone thinks their emails to the GMs may be disappearing into the spam filter, may I suggest you try typing that address into your email messaging system, rather than using the click link. Hugs and respect Jo |