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On top of that, families with guns are just canon meat for a professional army. So, maclean, your first argument does not work.<!-/Quote-!>

Up until the point they themselves, begin to organize.

How many world governments today exist simply because the people got fed up, organized, and threw out the "professional army" of an oppressive government?

Possible but not real likely.

I could however, see armed citizens allowing a country to survive more or less intact should a total economic collapse happen.

How much use are the police and military going to be in a situation like that. None what so ever, no country in history has ever has had a standing army large enough, or strong enough to hold it's self together if the entire population went "ape shit".

Whatever the situation the reasons are still the same. Are you wil

When do you think the economy is going to collapse?

I'll just drop this here and carry on my merry little way: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/07/29/602491/scalia-rocket-launcher/

Yankee,

I'm not sure what you are saying in the above post.

Is it you could the see people overthrowing the professional army of an oppressive government.

However, that if there were an economic collapse the people might allow the country to survive intact, more or less.

But to answer your question, Yes, I'm willing to rely on someone else to protect me.

However, I also support the right to bear arms and personally have them in my home.

Lod Lee i dont recall mentioning you in my post at all, nevertheless rather or not if your a he or she. if your reffering to "Yea Crafty i'd say she missed the smoking gun" I was reffering to the physco therapist who the shooter was under in Colordado. And YES, having guns of your own can persuade a country not to invade. NO it doesnt stand a chance agaisnt a proffesional army. My point is the story of the woman who defended herslef and her child agaisnt two men breaking into her house. Thats why citizens need guns. And also to protec tthemselves agaisnt goverment. I mean it may not be much but it'll put a hole in someone and thats all that matters now isnt it? Im not willing to rely on someone else to protect me. If china invaded the US, the war would probally last decades with two super powers of this caliber. Provided Nukes arent involved. And with that going on, theres gonna be looters and every thing u can think of in between murderers

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In the United States?

When the U.S. dollar is no longer accepted as an international trade currency.

Could be, not in my lifetime, could be Next week. I would predict most definitely however, within my children's lifetime.

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Yankee,

I'm not sure what you are saying in the above post.

Is it you could the see people overthrowing the professional army of an oppressive government.<!-/Quote-!>

It's happened all over the world including here in what we now call the United States.

Do I think everyone in the U.S. needs their firearms so they can overthrow the government? No I do not. If the population as a whole would simply vote, then that's all that's needed for any change as far as Government is concerned. It takes time and determination, but the people here do have a say.

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However, that if there were an economic collapse the people might allow the country to survive intact, more or less.<!-/Quote-!>

What if the economy of the U.S. was destroyed? It's the people who'v

lord lee I find you to be extremely myopic and distasteful in your posts

Gunther I am not narrow minded! I happen to be very socially liberal and open minded. I believe drugs should be legalized for instance and taxed, gay marriage, women priests etc.

it can go both ways lord lee

Is anyone else curious how this happened at the time the UN Arms Treay concerning gun control is taking place, on July 27th. An unarmed America is defintly something a certain group of people would want. Look at James Holmes in court, he doesnt even look like he know what he did. And there was a video released last month by Lil Wayne, called My Homies Still. AND GUESS WHAT, there sitting in a theature with 12 SKELOTONS. And in the previews of the batman movie, there was a preview where gangsters were shooting up a movie theature. The mainstream media isnt talking much about where this unemployed 24 year old got the money to afford all these expensive things he had to pull this off. And the shooting takes place at a movie called the Dark knight Rises, im no atheist people. And theres someone else called The Dark Knight. In the UK, theres a commercial for a truck called COLOADO, and in that commercial theres a destroyed stadium. In the movie the Dark knight,

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Ron Paul's otu for the cat. And by the people...the Lil Wayne video was released 3 DAYS beofre this shooting took place. Watch it for yourself its called ( My hoMIES Still). Theres peoples heads on the walls like dear heads as if they were hunted and killed just like they were in the shooting. Theres a woman dressed as a bat in a cage, theres 12, COUNT THEM, 12 SKELOTONS in a THETURE, and then the rappers cover their ears as if they hear gun shots. The Dark knight has risen, but it aint no freaking batman. Last year a movie called The Immortals portrayed falling angels descending to earth. Now we see the Dark KnIGHT rising. Even if these Hollywood people are just doing htis as their own crazy stunts...it seems to be tying over to real life. Dont worry about voting. it will do nothing. Just dont let this shooting force you to beleive our guns should be taken. Remember in 1975 when Jaws was released....the beaches were empty, you can best believe

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Well you can always find things like that if you look.

On 9/11 everyone was talking how nobody could have foreseen someone flying an aircraft into a building like that.

10 years prior Tom Clancy wrote about just that, just a different target.

Face it a lot of nuts out there already know in the back of their minds WHAT they want to do.

They just need someone else to tell them how.

And Kasper, if you believe voting won't do anything, just what do you think NOT voting will do?

I'm sorry to say I know many who seem to feel the same way. I think the biggest thing that sticks in my "craw" is people who don't register to vote because they don't want to deal with jury duty.

An then you have those that do everything they can to get out of jury duty when it's their time.

Many are the same people that whine about the judicial system, and yet aren't willing to dea

Many say Bush wasnt supposed to win presidency in 2000. Thats one vague example that cant really be confirmed. I dont believe voting will change anything because every poilitician put in office is a mere puppet. One guy said vote Ron Paul in...the freakin media got rid of his run before it even started because hes the one person who knew what was going on and probally couldnt have his mind changed. And they knew if he was put in office, then killed like Kenndy....it would spark massive outrage and investigation like never before. Im not saying i believe in ALL of the conspiracy theories but there are never so many coincidences regarding certain topics unless someone is making them happen, their just too far fetched. Its too late to vote, that America is long gone. And for anyone who says, oh thats a bunch of bull, thats crazy, thats just because they dont like being made fools out of when they blindly follow whatever road their told too. It pisses them off

First I don't own an I phone and I rarely believe all of what I hear anywhere. And never from one or two sources.

So much information over the internet is twisted to serve whatever purpose the sender has.

Just gotta love what people really believe, just today I got an email forwarded from my wife talking about another new Muslim stamp Obama has ordered commissioned and how we should all boycott it.

First only one stamp celebrating a Muslim Holiday has ever been commissioned. What's wrong with that?, I use Christmas stamps.

I wouldn't buy a stamp celebrating a Muslim holiday simply because I am not Muslim, anymore than I would expect a Muslim to buy a stamp celebrating the birthday of Jesus.

Anyway, the point is a lot of people were getting excited over something that has no basis in truth.

I can't truly say I've "never blindly followed anyone in my life" as I have followed the

Me saying before anyone attacks me wasnt meant for only you, it was meant for anyone reading like the guy earlier in this thread who said something about port arthur and a guy said people like you make me sick. I guess you believe 911 was an inside job. I know by me saying what i said, it will open the door for criticism, and i was putting that to rest before it even got started. As far as you Yankee, the only statements meant for you was the Bush in 2000 line, and that voting wont do anything. I just continued on my own statements meant for any and everyone reading. I dont know you and vice versa. And fixation for fighting and dying for beliefs has always and always will be a part of life. War will never be eradicated, voilence will never cease until Christ comes back ( At least in my opinion ). Others may believe it wont be stopped until the goverment steps in, which is dumb as hell. But of course me beleiving in God may seem dumb to others so i

Guns can be banned. Poof. Just like that. No biggie.

It's only gun-loving NRA nuts who actually believe that the American Government will take your rights away without them.

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Except of course for our right to firearms right?

I wonder what the next right would be ... I'm sure it would involve privacy and mandatory chipping of humans, oh wait they already do that.

Or maybe it would only deal with unlawful search and seizure, or detention ... damned I forgot the Patriot Act does that.

Darn okay maybe just the unlawful seizure of property by the Government? Oh no ... Kasper is right it's already to late.

I don't vote because I don't want to be responsible for putting an asshole in office ITS ALL YOU VOTERS WHO HAVE RUINED THIS COUNTY

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@Yankee,

by your logic, if you're allowed to legally own guns, you should have the right to kill whoever you please as well.

Laws exist to protect people, not hurt them. Stricter gun controls are no exception.

What a load of horseshit!

I should have the right to do whatever I want as long, as it does not infringe on the rights of another.

Killing someone just because I "wanted to" would definitely be infringing on the rights of someone else.

Even in a situation where I felt I had to kill someone in defense, I'd immediately become involved in the judicial system.

If not all the criteria for the use of lethal force where obvious, more than likely I'd be the one sitting in prison maybe even with a sentence of death.

That is most certainly one of the more asinine statements I've ever seen for anyone advocating gun control.

And there's the rub...

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I should have the right to do whatever I want as long, as it does not infringe on the rights of another. <!-/Quote-!>

Every human has the right to life. Do you have the right to take away that right?

Please dont use the excuse that a perp has lost his rights when he is certainly going to take away yours. That doesn't wash, reminds me of a bad cliche - two wrongs dont make a right.

So is the death penalty taking away your right to life? Would you be justified in taking the lives of the executioners as they were about to take yours? (should such a scenario ever occour).

I smell double standards there, the law is an ass.

But I'm keeping out of this...