Gun law

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Every human has the right to life. Do you have the right to take away that right?

Please dont use the excuse that a perp has lost his rights when he is certainly going to take away yours. That doesn't wash, reminds me of a bad cliche - two wrongs dont make a right.<!-/Quote-!>

That type of thinking is exactly what is wrong with the world in general.

Whether you wish to face it or not there are people in this world that are willing to take whatever it is you have your property, your health, or your life.

If you think for an instant that one human should let another beat them senseless or take their life simply because it's wrong to fight back. I have no idea what type of society you grew up in but it wasn't on this particular planet.

No if you think YOUR particular life is not important, then by all means let someone do what they wi

WOW I am sitting here banging my head on my desk with all this liberal bullshit its liberals like that that give liberals like myself a bad name (I consider my self libertarian which I think.is a fancy way of saying I hates all the politicians from the idiotic backwards backwater neocons to the wine sipping illogical liberals)

I am glad there are still people like Yankee and I would find it impossible in your situation to logically respond to his statements

when I person intends to infringe on the rights of others then he loses his

I hate it when right-wing conservatives who are glued to Faux News use the word "liberal" as if its a dirty word. You folks love to call people names rather than actually debate things like policy. Grow up.

Fact: guns are bad. People will use them to do bad things. Solution: take them away, and leave only the police, military and those who have a specific reason (e.g. farmers who need it for vermin) and crime rates reduce significantly.

Guns infringe on the rights of other people to feel secure, safe and well protected in public. Come here to Australia and you'll see how safe it is with guns off the street.

@Alexandrov, you call yourself a liberal, yet you call what a majority of "liberals" preach "bullshit". No wonder America is backward politically.

screw you morgan dont take my words out of context just go back and make us americans some ugs dammit

try getting out of your on little world and look around your government spent half a billion dollars on implementing gun control but statistics show violent crime went up crime rates in america are higher then europe and australia because of our society not less gun control

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Come here to Australia and you'll see how safe it is with guns off the street.<!-/Quote-!>

Now you really are trolling.

What it's only taken until 2011 to drop your murder rate from 1996 by the same percentage as in the US with no gun ban. And of course the number of other crimes has increased.

Seems a woman is 3 times more likely to be raped in Australia than in the U.S.

But I suppose all you Aussies think a woman that would kill to prevent rape is "selfish".

http://www.aic.gov.au/en/publications/current%20series/rpp/100-120/rpp116.aspx

Just cut and paste that in your browser to see how it's working for Australia.

FACT: It's not.

Yankee, your post there about Christian values is completely nonsensical.

I'm not a believer in any etheral power but I do believe the Bible to be a code of morals and a good construct of the way to behave to others.

You realise "turn the other cheek" comes from the Bible? Didn't Gods own son sacrifice his life to save the human race? And God allowed this. So sorry sir, but you sound more and more like some sort of fanatic or extremist. If I were psychoanalysing you for gun permits then you would be on the high risk register.

Please accept the fact that the world is growing up, we are becoming more civilised, and just as Bones in Star Trek was scripted to say about smoking...'why would anyone inhale this poison into their lungs, crazy' then also the future will say, just how did they let people run around with weapons of death?

It seems to me that the thinking of 'I need a gun to protect me

The old testament is a load of rubbish. I can't believe any intelligent person would take it seriously LOL.

I am God

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You realise "turn the other cheek" comes from the Bible?<!-/Quote-!>

Do you really want to get into that discussion crafty?

That's not the only verse quoted by pacifists however, none of them referred to life threatening situations.

A "slap on the cheek" is an insult not worth taking a life for.

And if you are Christian, Jesus sacrificed himself.

Had he not been able to protect himself ("with twelve legions of angels") then rather than a "plan" which was death, he would have simply been one more person killed by a mob.

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They WILL be phased out eventually, accept it, embrace it, and help it.<!-/Quote-!>

I happen to believe you are wrong. And you are using a circular argument much like "because I said so".

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The old testament is a load of rubbish. I can't believe any intelligent person would take it seriously LOL.<!-/Quote-!>

Whether you believe in it or not, religion is the basis for most National morals and thus law.

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If man really was created in God's own image, you could have a point.

Jesus is a Jew. Oh burn...

"Whether you believe in it or not, religion is the basis for most National morals and thus law."

And this is where it will get ugly. Many Christians keep thinking that because they are the majority in the Western world, they can dictate what the Government can do e.g. gay marriage. I'm opening a can of worms, but if the Church doesn't recognise gay marriage, that doesn't mean that the Government, which is supposedly secular, has to be ruthlessly lobbied by the Church into making sure gays can't marry. Marriage is two things: one is a religious ceremony, and one is a legal undertaking. They should remain seperate and independent, which is why I've got a long history of getting infuriated by Catholics (like my mother) who insist that the Church is always correct and has the right to oppose all things homosexual (except their priests), and therefore everyone else

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Marriage is two things: one is a religious ceremony, and one is a legal undertaking.<!-/Quote-!>

Wrong again, in the U.S. what is or is not, a marriage is a legal issue determined by the individual States.

Some recognize Gay marriages, some (probably most) don't. Mine doesn't, and that was decided by the population of my State.

If everyone's vote was influenced by their personal religious belief, so be it.

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America has the highest homicide rates per 100,000 in the developed world,<!-/Quote-!>

And what you choose to ignore is we would still have one of the highest rates even if all deaths inflicted by firearms was eliminated from the stats.

On the other hand Switzerland with the highest number of firearms for it population has one of, if not the l

Um I've had a question that has been left unanswered for a long time. When did god write the bible? Because the first marriage was in 1250CE. When did god write the bible? Because animals have been killing animals for like over 4 billion years. When did god write the bible? Because the letters needed to write the bible weren't around till the greek alphabet which didn't originate until 800BCE. Someone else must of wrote the bible, but who? Could someone else be tasked with writing a document that billions will follow like sheep without questioning the legimitacy of it? Hmmm... Well I guess no one would dare manipulate that many people and make them do just about anything you they want.

Guns eh... I think I'll get into this one, as it is distracting so many of you. Guns shoot bullets, bullets kill people, dead people can't accomplish anything, a society that accomplishes nothing is good for no one. If guns weren'

Heh, I can just envision a few hundred cinema goers standing up at once and unleashing a torrent of pistol and semi-automatic fire on one guy because they all have the right to defend themselves.

Like all parables in the bible, the turning the other cheek thing is an illustration of the moral being preached. I know you dont think it literally means when someone slaps your face.

Look, I dont think it is wrong to defend yourself or your family, of course not, its human nature, not even limited to human actually... I just think the gung-ho attitude of 'I's a goona whoop some redneck ass comes sniffing round my patch, put a 457 right in his ass...' is not healthy in our crowded societies. I can well imagine it in the pioneer days, or the few remote outbacks of the world, but not in cities, in civilisation. Like I say, it will, nay, it has to, change. And before I get shouted down, by no means do I mean the overnight bann

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If I offended anyone good, that was the intent<!-/Quote-!>

Such wonderful objectives.

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Guns shoot bullets, bullets kill people, dead people can't accomplish anything, a society that accomplishes nothing is good for no one.<!-/Quote-!>

What a simplistic argument.

Okay, bricks are hard, people throw bricks and kill people, Ban bricks.

No wait, beer bottles can either be hard or sharp, and people beat or stab each other with beer bottles, ban beer bottles.

Baseball bats kill people, don't blame it on the people blame it on baseball bat.

The list goes on.

None of those items are as Crafty says, "healthy in our crowded societies".

Hell I may as well argue on your level.

Hey, look over there, it happened again!

Makes this little "think tank" here seem pretty insignificant doesn't it?

Yankee your rebuttal is off. I tried to find the annual deaths by baseball bats but couldn't find it unfornuately. Probably because its most likely in the double digits or less I'd entertain the possibly of 3 digits by definately isn't comparable to the 5 digit numbers of guns.

But there is an easier way to look at this, what is the primary function of an object? A rifle is to hunt, a handgun is to kill people, an oozie is to kill a lot of people. A baseball bat is to hit a baseball. When a baseball bats primary function becomes to kill people we should get rid of baseball bats. When people aren't commonly killed by a hunting gun, and a hunter rarely uses a handgun for hunting why would you sell a handgun at all?

It is easy as that the teneology of things, the telos (purpose) of a handgun is to kill peeople, or to threaten. So it is a very simplistic argument. And true, occums razor the simplest solution is

Lol, I dont suppose there are many cases of 'murder by brick'. In fact glass containers ARE prohibited in most large gatherings, even in known troublesome pubs here in the UK. You have to suffer plastic. Beer in a plastic glass - uggg - a pet hate of mine. And baseball bats? They may well be used as a weapon of violence but I would doubt many would chose them as an instrument of murder. A bloke going bezerk in a movie theatre might well hurt some people, but kill a dozen? nah. Unless he's a ninja batter huh, like the theoretical knifeman who could murder several before you could react.

Many many items are now classed as 'weapons' if you are carrying them without good cause (eg for your job). So I say my level is the right one to argue on. Its real, not some cops and robbers superhero world.

Same in Australia. No glass allowed at large gatherings. Another Yankee rebuttal out the window.

I think I'm gonna hijack this thread and rename it to: WHO ALL THINKS DREW NEEDS A HAIR CUT - HAIR CONTROL.

If you look back at all the psycho gun killers, they all have weird hair. I'm concerned about Drew's HAIR here and "da look" he puts forth in his pic. I'm a lil concerned about that middle finger in Tom's pic too, but I'll refrain from discussing this at this current time.

Please place your comments here - YES for Drew to cut his hair, No to leave it as is.

Thank you.

Yours,
Lorelei

PS. To steal Drew's quote:

If I offended [insert Drew's name here]good , that was the intent HA HA HA HA HA HA not really

Crafty,

When Blueserpent took me to a pub over there over Christmas, I firmly recall my drink being in a glass container. I think. :S Oh I miss the Cheeky Vimtoes or however you spell them and my crumpets for breakfast. :-(

All seems like a blur now. So, how is London with all the people from the Olympics there?

Interesting....... I was spiderman until I posted da weird hair thinggy and look at da avatar I have NOW.....OOMGGGGGG!!! Now who's da weirdo! ha ha ha ha

LORELEI, GET A DAYAM HAIRCUT!!! lol

AND Crafty........ my my what FINE MUSCLES you have! hubba hubba!!! lol Now I can't tease you about your pinkness and discolored leg any more. Poo!

sorry I haven't been on I know you've all been missing me

id like to start off by saying reliigion is just an ancient backwards way to con troll people and only fools who cant think for themselves qoute the Bible (qouting the Bible is dumb because it contradicts itself) I figure if I spent the time to remember lots of common Bible versus I could argue with these people on their level (could be interesting)


and tom Morgan in your second to most recent post you brought up some good points about Catholicism spot on my mother is the same way (thinks democracy is evil and the pope should make all the decisions) and then preaches to children about relativism or something another word for democracy being evil and how Hitler was the great relatavist (albiet a dictator) (for those of you who don't know relativism is a theory of thought that says something is morally correct ifthe majority agrees

"and tom Morgan in your second to most recent post you brought up some good points about Catholicism spot on my mother is the same way (thinks democracy is evil and the pope should make all the decisions) and then preaches to children about relativism or something another word for democracy being evil and how Hitler was the great relatavist (albiet a dictator) (for those of you who don't know relativism is a theory of thought that says something is morally correct ifthe majority agrees) (apparently this is bad and we should let the pope make all our moral decisions) what a load of trash (cant believe this is allowed to be taught to already degenerate teenagers who believe in anything that's cool and who are in fact the great relatavists) "

Thanks. Sounds like your mum is saying some pretty bizarre things (no offense). I just hate how the Catholic Church tries so hard to influen