What are we doing!? (Little Upsilon)

Also, I don't have much problem with government acting as an insurer of last resort AS a last resort. We know government is wasteful, government is bureaucratic, and government is costly. Why aren't we exploring other options without government control? President Obama says he would be willing to but so far has not been. I'm not arguing AGAINST healthcare reform (as I said earlier, we need a lot more reform than just this) I'm arguing against government running it.
"Big Government" issues aside, what makes anybody think that government healthcare will turn out any differently than medicare, social security, and a host of other government failures?

In the UK we do have private health care. How good is it? I have no idea... I cant afford it ;-( I presume it is pretty good. Point being the government can provide good health care to the masses and the rich can pay for their own special care.
I do have private dental care which does provide a better service than the NHS but...it comes at a cost. for a 1/3 of what I pay via National insurance for Health care I get my teeth cleaned a few times a year... So value for money goes to the NHS everytime.

Oh, my peers... are all so many sheep... led astray.

Mynanna says:
"I've said it b4 and i'll say it again. If i have to choose between bad and evil, I'll choose bad."

Solomon replies:
That was me 3 years ago, the lesser of 2 evils. The problem is that the bad is actually more evil than the evil.

A wolf in sheep's clothing is always worse than a wolf.

Solomon. . . Stay on topic!!!!!

Don't tell anyone I said this, cuz I aint one to gossip, so...

I'm pretty sure Wendy's has an issue with sheep... wearing white after Labor Day!

Ok, back on subjet,

lets debate this some more

@Tyr:

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Basic care is not enough. America can afford to provide better than basic care to all its people.<!-/Quote-!>

Isn't basic care by definition "enough"?

@Zodiac: I actually read your whole essay. Without quibbling, you do a decent job of describing how two countries come to have such different systems. But you missed a solution at the end. Paraphrasing, you mentioned helping improve people's incomes so they can pay for more/better care, and also changing the whole system so that everyone pays for everyone. What about changing some of the laws that add artificial costs? In principle this should be the easiest solution, and certainly imo the smartest and fairest.

@ BorderC, I think your idea is great:

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You know, there a many many many rich people saying we ought to do this or ought to do that. Why the hell don't they do it? Why can't they set up a non-profit type of insurance as an insurer of last resort and use minimal premiums and charitable donations to keep it running? Hell, I wouldn't mind donating.<!-/Quote-!>

Even better, set up two of these funds, one for those who claim that those against socialized health care are uncaring ignorant racists, and one for those who think that we should all be as responsible as possible for our health care. The results might be interesting. too funny

Basic by definition is basic. Would you want your child to have basic health care, or a basic education, or a basic life? Of course not. You want the best of everything that your country can provide. America can provide much more than basic.
There is no point arguing over the definition of basic...I am sure everyone has their own idea of what basic covers. I will just say America should like every country provide the best level of service to its people as it can afford.

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@Zodiac: I actually read your whole essay. Without quibbling, you do a decent job of describing how two countries come to have such different systems. But you missed a solution at the end. Paraphrasing, you mentioned helping improve people's incomes so they can pay for more/better care, and also changing the whole system so that everyone pays for everyone. What about changing some of the laws that add artificial costs? In principle this should be the easiest solution, and certainly imo the smartest and fairest.<!-/Quote-!>

Actually, my suggestion was supposed to be either/or rather than and. Your solution also works, and I'll admit that I hadn't thought of it.

But it is worth noting that whilst the means we suggest are all different, they ultimately strive to have the same effect; making adequate to advanced levels of healthcare affordable and accesible to all, rather than a luxury of some.

you guys are sounding like this isn't really a tool of control and that they are really interested in prolonging your life so that you can tear up the planet some more.
lol


"History will record, with the greatest of astonishment, that those with the most to lose did the least to prevent it's happening"

Ronald Reagan
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Its all a conspiracy, maaaan...

Think of all the dead people.

Dam. I had only just stopped thinking about them.

ahh, head in the sand folks. I even have them in my family lol I guess it's just too ugly of a thing for people to look at.

You sure can tell who didn't spend any time clicking on any of the video links I've posted.

"For instance, I've mentioned a while ago that consolidating states would save a boatload of money. Why do we need so many small states with their invidual governments, programs, costs, etc?

That's probably an "unpatriotic" thing to say. I'm definitely for a more centralized government."

I'm so sorry you actually believe this. If you prefer centralized government, China and North Korea are always options for you.

There is no such thing as an open and free centralized government. Has never and will never happen. Although I won't argue it can be efficient. 1940's german technology was quite impressive.

Some people just like being told what to believe without thinking about it.

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That sure does seem to be the way it works.

Jo Jo, after looking closer at the article you posted I'd almost go for it if they actually DID set up 2 different funds!