VOTE: Remove/change the War Level System (Kebir Blue)

Why cant we all just agree to four levels...

0 newbie and econ mode ... you cant be attacked, period (you can attack C3s)
1 to 2 are learning levels (fighting between 1s and 2s and C3s only)
3 war mode ... you're part of the warring class and can attack or be attacked by anyone else in this group so you better be in a fed before graduating from 2.

WP should only be required above 0.

That's pretty much what we've been asking for Goth, but players like maestro twist the fact and new players think the vets will beat them down or some BS

"Removing the war levels will allow players who do not dare to fight an experienced player to overrun new comers as happened before we had war levels, and chase these new players away.
These were nonsense wars against hardly defended countries and players who did not have a clue yet about how it worked.
They won great victories and took the assets." Andy (Gamemaster)

If the gamemaster is saying this, why point the finger at me?

If anything players want a fair chance to war.
Here's a honest compromise. This would effect Fearless Blue ONLY

Fearless Blue
What about when a player joins warring starts @ 1-7, but 0 still remains. When a player joins lets say they want to take a C3 to expand but that pushes them into level 1. The GM can re institute the old protection of giving them like 60days of protection.

Even a disclaimer before they Join Fearless blue
-(WARNING) Fearless blue is a war world. After taking there first(C3)nation, Players will have 60days to prepare after which time they are open to player attacks. WP is still an option after the 60protection but @ the cost of 2GC per 6game months

That's not unfair. If you don't want ever war your fine don't war play econ and stay in level 0(that is your right). But i bet you money that if that happen FB population would spur. What about if the GM made it s

@SuperSoldierRCP

What I like about you super is you are an ideas factory. I don't always agree with you but do respect your effort.

There is no need to lower the war level below 3 for any world including FB world. Many veterans have already stated it's simple to get to war level 3. You've read this and so has the gamemaster. So it's kind of pointless to push for a lower war level. It's not going to happen.

An area to discuss is federation leveling.


Keep the rules simple/stupid.

Not to beat the point.... but thinking about this more, the more I come to realize the real issue is the double purpose assigned to the War Levels... measuring experience through C3 wars AND controlling who can war with who. These two things should be separated. In this way, you can have PvP wars for all war level 3s and up; and C3 wars are "training" sessions that a president who graduates to war level 3 must/needs to undertake to better his/her skills and gain war bonuses. Warring presidents will then be encouraged to seek higher levels for bonus and to compete with other war presidents.

If there is one thing I have learned is that the GMS are as stubborn as I am. They want the War Levels. The lesson learned from the Implementation of the war levels is to not place so much emphasis on the chorus of cries for removing them now. Interesting note is that many players who now want war levels gone, were equally as vocal in bringing them about.

Maybe one thing we all are not noticing is player retention as a result of the war levels. How many players got owned then quit after having their stuff trashed? How many are now exempt from that fate, and are still playing.

My only problem with war levels is the far too easy abuse by multi-players, who would now keep extra accounts in war level -3 to protect said accounts.(Assuming people still multi-play). Maybe I'm getting away from the topic now. But that seems a good a point as any to monitor players playing under war level 0 more closely if not alter the scheme altoget

EC - your reputation as a war player of high standing is well documented.

EC said to Maestro - "Your enthusiasm in this matter is appreciated, but stick to what you know....economics and war protection. I, as a war player, would not recommend that you, as an econ player, be quarantined to a one continent on a planet..."

However EC - u can still war over the entire world, against players who are over level 3

I would enjoy trying a war against an experienced player - and not mind losing 1 robust country - in a FAIR fight. On a war continent.
OR ALTERNATIVELY - allow players to take 1 country over Level 3 at a time

It would take at least a year of war prep to survive a confrontation with an 'old' player with massive army like EC. I would learn from such a war. But its not worth losing 6 countries in one war.
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Manchoo Foo, you can always fight a war against a vet for experience and just end the war when done, instead of taking the country.

Also don't forget the federations either, they're currently limited to 25 countries per fed, that limit should be repealed from the game too.

The more friends you have in a federation, the more safer everyone will be by being in one, which means in return they'll be no need for war levels.

One more thing, I think as soon as someone sets up a country on this game, I think messages should first be sent to him telling him the sheer importance by being in a federation.

The more friends you have in a federation, the more safer (sic) everyone be by being in one, which means in return that no one will dare start a war. Isn't that the problem right now?

No James Feds should have limitations. There are already enough abuses of air defense from free accounts. Don't get us started.

No Wendy or whatever your name is, I don't think feds should have limitations it's so unrealistic, and what abuses of air defence from free accounts, what are you talking about you muppet? it's not like they're going to threaten you now are they? just let them be.

and Tabula what do you mean by no one will dare to start a war? of course they'll always will be, especially amonst a big group of people, they'll always be one troublemaker that will start a war with another big fed then he'll drag all of his fed mates into it which in turn will cause war on a huge scale, possibly across the entire planet.

Game Stats:

Number of countries by world:

KB 3,061
FB 6,159
WG 6,376
GR 4,804
LU 3,467
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Total 23,867

Countries in Use 9,818 (41.14%)

This means there are 14,049 C3's currently available. That's 58.86%.

There's enough gravy in this turkey for all of us.... Econ and War Players.

Cheers,

Maestro

fed limits should be left where they are.
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Sorry Maestro but i'm starting to get tired of conquering Robot countries all the time, what we want is more realism to this game.

James the fair, you can declare war on anyone you want providing they are at the same war lvl, not in wp or not in secured mode.

Hey James,

Maybe you should challenge Keto. Perhaps the whipping will give you some unmentionable pleasure.

Cheers,

Maestro

Keto you can't declare war on anyone you like on this game, only those at the same war level just like you said, can't you see theres a lack of targets for us here?

But I do acknowedge the fact of war protection on this game though.

I don't think so i've seen his huge empire, besides i'm already at war with 'Jungle Land' Maestro so theres no need.

(gatekeeper) hey i told u nation right
(lostprophet) yea but ill have to make a new account for it
(lostprophet) plus no offense but i kinda am not good at army tactics and am not good on fb
(gatekeeper) will u got me n my parter in fb the united thrown of polar
(gatekeeper) so if u start i got ur back on supplies
(lostprophet) uggh idk ill have to keep up on 2 seperate accounts thats a bit much with school and all im only 15
(lostprophet) brb i have to go make another gmail account ave like so many of them

I wonder how many mults used there accounts to vote no for the war level changes???

Probularly a lot SuperSoldier it's a hell of a lot of votes against it, let me tell you, I voted for no war levels, people just need advising to be in large, strong federations in order to survive in this game, thats all.

*Sighs* James refrain from name calling, if you have a point, then make it, if not just legitimize people ignoring you because if you don't know what I mean by free members and feds abusing air defense from free members than you aren't qualified to speak on this or any other number relevant subjects.

If there is one thing that is certain, you my friend are the talking head, and nothing more. I know you're probably anxious to get into a war but with me it won't be one. You'll pull your hair and complain of me abusing the game. Accusations like these are how we got war levels, my son.

Just stop. Or be a n00b and keep going.

/ignore children. You don't have a clue I won't hold it against you for now.

If I flattened your whole empire that would not be fun. Therefore my nukes are stored in a place where it would be more annoying for me to get them out to humble you into submission.

I like the econ side of the game. I dont want to be forced to play the war side, or be punished economically by paying to not play the war side. Leave the level like it is, let the small players attack c3s and get ready, and the higher level players can smash each other. Opening up the hunting to new players will only strengthen the bigger, more aggressive players at the smallers' detriment.

I personally dont like it, and vote no.

"Therefore my nukes are stored in a place where it would be more annoying for me to get them out to humble you into submission. "

Wendy: Remarks like this are why we needed you back. Thanks for bringing a chuckle to my morning.

Half you lot get so disracted with things you know zip about. Small players rarely get bashed by vets, its not worth their while for one (no swag) and its asshat behave for two, which will get you bashed by other vets. Beside, its generally agreed that new players will still be protected unless they decide to go up war levels.
So, there's no problem for econ players. There's no problem for newbies, there's not really a problem for ANYONE unless a bigish player decides to run his/her mouth and pisses others off. Hey, thats just like the real world. Go into a bar, sit with your mates minding your own business and its very unlikely you will be troubled... go in and start calling others dickheads and say you can beat them all up one hand tied behind your back...guess whats going to happen to you?

All these arguements are moot anyway. SC will continue to die a slow death unless player interaction is raised. S