W3C - Gold Coins in Simcountry

There are several experienced players here who are making suggestions as how to not implement this change or find alternative ways to gain many gold coins at little risc.

It is time to stop this and realize where simcountry is going.

most players will benefit.
The game will become more challenging for everyone.

All the suggestions made here, and mainly the ones we removed were soaked of self interest and not in the interest of the players in general.

I made a post with no suggestions. In fact, what I wrote was something like: "I realized where the game was going, so I allowed the bulk of my account to cancel." I gathered the clues with the changes to the cash market. I was, if you can't see it, giving the example.

What exactly is wrong with you? Nevermind. I don't want to know. You are getting obnoxious.

What I do know is that you need to take a rest.

Out of respect for laguna

Enough with the flaming, Super. Edit your post.

Done, out of respect for you laguna

Josias,

The only change is the removal of purchasing of gold coins for game money.
No other changes.

The awards tonight are awards for February.
The change in awards will take place with the awards for March, after the change in the game takes place.

Arccuk,

Trading remains. if you feel that selling nuclear weapons for gold coins is a way of gaining gold coins, then yes. there are more ways.

Nothing changes.
all trading remains unchanged.


Super,

There is a limit to what we take and we have removed players from the forum before.
please stop telling me how this game should work.

You should realize that the more aggresively you try to make us change, the less seriously your comments are being taken.

We are learning a lot from our players but recently I learned nothing from you.

Sigh, I was never rude or disparaging. I merely ask questions. I point out that the rewards for war levels are limited, unlike the ongoing score awards which I cant win every month, and I get told not to be rude.

I regularly play to win awards, notice my chase on two different worlds and a couple of CEOs today to achieve 1st place. It is entirely un-called for to say I am lazy and resting on a pile of GC.

Thats my last on it. I hope all of us can be more reasonable tomorrow. Good night.

(Not being aggressive)

Andy

I understand there is a limit, infact i believe youve banned me a few times which we have dicussed. And i have in the past apologized for my actions, im not above admitting or apologizing if i relize i have made a wrong choice.

You should also know people are the most agressive when they are the MOST passionate. I Enjoy this game very much, you know i have advertized and brought a good amount of players, and educated a good amount of players.

I want this game to do well if i didnt i would have stayed for 4years.

If youve learned nothing from me then thats both parties issue, I know im hard to work with and agressive in nature. Thats who i am and my lifestyle. Im not above stating that.

If i make a suggestion im only posting a suggestion and giving an idea, you are to do with it as you please. Ive only posted suggestions that i believe would help or ive posted problem

Laguna,

I am sorry to say this here but you are rewriting history.
You did not cancel your countries until they bankrupted.

I happened to see it because it was a large account and it went down quickly. cancelling before bankruptcy would probably have saved most of the assets.

You did not extend the account and was a visitor on the chat with an expired account.
People were asking me to fix this bug.

I don't understand the need to show that you knew it all in advance.

If there is an increase of the GCs won for Game Levels reached, will it be a retroactive one? Meaning the Players that allready have reached higher game levels will get the difference or will it just be for Game Levels yet to be reached?

Super,

Thanks for this.

You know we are open for suggestions but they must be suggestions. The decisions are taken at the W3creative office.

This one is a change we did not expect established player to love but is it not as bad as it looks. It is in fact a great improvement.

It is also very specific and will be implemeted.

The change in awards is linked to the change in the gold coins exchange.

Currently, gold coins are being bought for cash as is in the current system. There is no need to go back or do you expect us to go back and also cancel all the gold coins for cash transactions in the past months?

Nobody want that.

Thanks Andy

You and I do have sorted past. We can be agressive but you know i do have respect for you and the GM's in general. I Lead 13Men i understand how hard that is Let ALONE!!! having to deal with all of us at once.

Please dont think i dont understand that.
You know when we the players all have Questions on these updates its not becuase he are angry but becuase we are unsure. Everytime something changes do you not get Nervious?

One thing players and myself feel is disconnected from you in general.

(not being mean just stating)

when we come on and bring up suggestions or a discussion we are attacked, post deleted, and edited. ( Which is also OUR fault aswell, im not blaming only you)

When that happens we feel attacked and become agressive which leads you to be agressive back, which leads us to what we have now.

Several years ago we had Jozi Chats where we had more c

Crafty,

I am sorry if I over reacted but your text included descriptions of our decision in terms we consider unacceptable on our forum.

I never called you lazy but did suggest that you are one of the players with very high assets who could go on for a long time with no need for gold coins.

We should all look at how this is for beginners who are unable to offer 90T for 2000 gold coins and who see this as a hopeless place where they will never be able to compete.

we are determined to give them a fighting chance and an interesting game.

Not what I ment, but ok.

Do you allready have some roundabout numbers on how the awards will change?

And will there be implemented more high Game Levels or will those allready in the game be splitt up?
Meaning for example Instead of lvl 1-16 right now and 1-25 then will those additional levels be harder to reach then the lvl 16 before or will lvl 25 equal former lvl 16 so there will be more lower levels to reach?
Just asking as when you want to reach Game lvl 5 Peaceful or lvl 7 Full Game now you need to get an enterprise which does increase the money you have to pay (RL-Money) by 50%, if you buy those at the best rate (36$ for the 9 Month Package + 1/2 of the 36$ GC Package for the remaining 180GC you need in those 9 months for your enterprise) and at the moment you reach those levels quite fast

This isn't supposed to be about me or anyone, but to set the record straight.

I didn't say I cancelled them. I allowed them to get cancelled (didn't pay registration). It is slightly different, practically the same, but don't confuse them.

By bankrupt do you mean having the maximum in debt, but still having Qs in assets? My LU empire was another bankrupt empire a month ago. It is rather amusing how bankrupt means 44,394.23 GC in the game.

I knew my account better than you. I knew how I could milk for every last gold coin in it. Still I didn't, because I didn't care. And you do see I didn't care, because I allowed my account to expire for awhile. But that isn't the reason why I'm still flagged as a visitor in chat; that happened the day you removed me from modship in the forum - months before any of this.

Point: I allowed most of my account to get cancelled and - t

We should all look at how this is for beginners who are unable to offer 90T for 2000 gold coins and who see this as a hopeless place where they will never be able to compete.

Andy i AGREE!!!

Ive always been for new player aid. The problem is players who have been here 4years and had Q have done this over years and these new players want to be instantly stimulated to these higher levels.

Maybe awards are nice but they should be relective.
Highest Education index?
Highest Health index?
Highest Welfare?
Biggest Army(manpower)?
Biggest Army(manpower + Q)?
Smallest Army(manpower)?
Smallest Army(manpower + Q)?
Biggest Economy(Most productions made in SC$)?
Country with most income?

Do this for Everyone in 4 sections
Players who have been here 0-90Days(3months),
People who have been here 3-6months, 6months-12months, 12months 

We do not have any more details now.
will publish later.

laguna,
I don't need to have this discussiuon but I don't think you should place high handed messages and make it sound like you know it all in advance.

Some more content will help too.
If you claim to know about the game, constructive responses and constructive criticism will help.

I have urged you to do so in the past, and so did my predecessors, including the call for criticism and there were times you did.

The awards system will not be made more complex and rewarding single indexes does not make sense, it will create education systems nobody needs that will eat money for ever. It should be balanced and the score is OK on balance.

In any case, these new players are not served with a gold coins market where players offer huge amounts of game money to purchase numbers of gold coins these new players see as out of reach.

I think the thing Super was aiming at is that the problem for newer players will be to get any awards at all if there are enough experienced players.
And a problem I see is that if you dont get any awards and lets say you are a quite new player but have an empire and two enterprises as you want to compete with older players you have to pay more then twice of what you have now in RL-Cash (of course in comparison to buying those extra GCs you need for the enterprises through the direct trading), what could be downturning for those new players. But that is one of the things I'm looking forward on how W3C solves it.

Yeah i've seen your idea on the voting page Supersolier and I agree with you, declaring war on C3s to win and gain gold coins instead of taking it's country and cash is what I was talking about here, but maybe not award you with that many gold coins like your suggestion says as the direct trading market would be flooded with them. All i'm asking the GM is only to give us a few coins for winning C3 wars as every penny counts as its certainly going to be now.

'It comes before more fundamental changes that will introduce missions and change the dynamics of Simcountry.' Andy

I would certainly like to hear more about doing these 'missions' what you have got planned. I know another online game called 'The West' and has missions in it but it's not like you have to do them though, which I presume will be the same in this game?

Anyway as my last posting here I just hope a lot of new functions will

Andy, my only problem with this is the supply side. About producing goods that sell for GC, you aren't taking into account the inability/difficulty to get GC in the first place. This new change will likely make players hold on to their GC tighter. If gaining GC is going to be difficult, spending for goods and populations to expand is going to slow because no one will have coins to spend in a discretionary fashion.

Not to nag, but this feels like a forced reset, regardless of how long it takes or how it is presented. Once all avenues of rewards are exhausted what will players have to do then? Pay out of pocket, or reset your account in order to be eligible for awards again.

If you want to get rid of GC, then just switch every good or service to a denomination of cash in the gc equivalent, and gold coins go away, no harm no foul.

You can't keep rewarding dedicated players with a swift kick in the nuts and expect veteran pla

A better option might be just to simply raise registration fees.

Andy:
You said this

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In the near future there will be four ways for anyone to obtain gold coins in Simcountry.

1. Purchase gold coins from Simcountry or extend your account.
2. Win Game Awards
3. Win Game Level Awards
4. Win War Level Awards<!-/Quote-!>

Option 1 is to pay more money to simcountry.

Options 3 and 4 are limited to a one time achievement.

Option 2 requires extreme skill to earn enough gold coins to come close to breaking even. If I understand you correctly, your score is then penalized so you will have more difficulty winning awards for the next few months. You will thus have no way of paying your registration fees unless you then purchase gold coins from simcountry. This option really is only available to the best premium members. The winners will

Membership costs don't need to be increased. PERIOD.

What needs to be increased is FUNABILITY, and in a big way.

The most recent changes have hampered funability. Increase this aspect, and more people will not only play simcountry, but they won't mind paying to play, and vets won't mind staying. FUNABILITY is probably given the lowest priority when these changes are being introduced, and the result shows.

Beginners do not have many countries and they do not have an enterprise.
They have one or two countries and they receive many gifts in gold coins, money and population during the first weeks.

using these assets, and having a profitable country as these countries are, they will be able to develop quickly.

Reaching game level 2 and 3, with the extra bonus if they become full members, they will have 90 gold coins more. we see this taking place all the time.
At that stage, a lower award could be within reach and winning the following game levels is also not too difficult.

we will test this scenario and make sure it is possible.

Very well said Wendy. +1