Military. units running outta supplys and fuel

same here, i have 25,265 trucks in stock. that should be enough for the 12 units (3 supply) i had (now 5.)

Ok, thanks :-) I will gradually acquire more trucks ^^

Here is what I am seeing in my units

Supply Units (3):

Unit 1:
175,378 Gasoline
177,600 Military Supplies
3102 Trucks needed
unit 2:
-4,920 Military Supplies
-279 Gasoline
2827 Trucks needed
unit 3:
-8,880 Military Supplies
17,146 Gasoline
2839 Trucks needed

Total trucks in inventory: 25,265 0 Used
Total trucks needed in supply units: 8768

total other supplies used and in inventory:
Military Supplies:
Used Per Month: 219,780
In Stock: 2,566,082
Gasoline:
Used per month: 1,686,892
In Stock: 20,498,836

So the question is why isn't it giving my supply units the supplies it needs from my inventory? And why are my supply units not restocking my other units with the supplies they need to stay active?
I have (and have had) enough of everything needed in my inventory for the the units left as well as the units that were dismantled. Am I missing something here?

Edit: I just bought another 10,000 truck so i now have 35,265

Btw, what determines the monthly use of ammunition in the country stock? I have not increased my army, the amount of weapons and target ammunition on my units is the same. Except for my units, I have no weapons in stock (also no weapons deactivated).

How does it come that the monthly use of ammunition from the country stock is increasing incrementally?

I have also increased the low water mark for the order strategy to 5 months, with an order quantity of 15 months now.

Too little data to help you there. Are we now looking at the data from the trade page to check ammo consumption? What kind of ammo is being used for how many weapons?

With additional data, it makes it possible for another player to check things like ammo/weapon used. One possible factor is this:

"145. Quality of ammunition [ top ]

The quality of ammunition has now more influence on the number of ammunition pieces used in the ongoing operations of the army. The higher the quality, the lower the number of ammunition pieces used.
Ammunition quality is also a major factor on the quality of military units."

So, for example, if the quality of the ammunition in your units is higher than the quality in your stock, as the units consume ammo and are resupplied, the general quality of your ammunition will go down. This is often true if you have upgraded your units. Again though, sharing as much data as possible will make it more likely to get an answer.

This is prob a dumb question but a unit that's outta gas would or would not be able to still launch its ordinance down range? Example a mobile con missile unit

On Saturday 19 March 2016 at 20h16 CET (8.16 PM CET), I have extensively described which ammunition specifically is being used. I have also stated that we are NOT talking about the ammunition and fuel used at the trade page of the country.

All my units have an ammunition quality of 300. My units are as following:

Two LRDs with each as a target: 18,000 OAAM, 14,400 HAS, 15,200 HTA, 3,600 MRM, 99,900 MS, 2,000 Gasoline

One attack and bombing wing with a target of: 14,000 PB, 22,500 FM, 112,800 MS, 158,400 AF

One attack and bombing wing with a target of: 48,000 PB, 144,000 MS, 172,800 AF

One LSU with a target of: 900 AAM, 1,050 AVM, 1,800 MI, 1,500 DM, 6,660 MS, 400 Gasoline

One SSU with a target of: 450 AAM, 525 AVM, 900 MI, 900 DM, 3,690 MS, 250 Gasoline

Those targets have been there for at least one real life month, but it is just since last week that the current number of ammunition in the units is dropping really fast (like has been said many, many, many times in this discussion; we are NOT talking about the use of ammunition as indicated on the trade page).

Since it has been asked for, here are the data from the country's trade page regarding the above-mentioned products, shown as product/#monthly use/#stock/stock quality

AAM: 3 / 3,000 / 210
AF: 108,150 / 2,799,390 / 220
AVM: 3 / 3,215 / 213
DM: 5 / 4,167 / 205
FM: 45 / 37,124 / 207
Gasoline: 1,286,547 / 14,170,147 / 275
HAS: 407 / 17,035 / 301
HTA: 408 / 18,754 / 300
MI: 6 / 3,886 / 196
MS: 123,465 / 3,110,559 / 225
MRM: 10 / 9,905 / 291
OAAM: 49 / 28,663 / 301
PB: 68 / 54,262 / 300

Legenda:
AAM: Anti-Aircraft Missile
AF: Aircraft Fuel
AVM: Armoured Vehicle Missile
DM: Defensive Missile
FM: Fighter Missiles
Gasoline: Gasoline
HAS: Heavy Artillery Shells
HTA: Heavy Tank Ammunition
MI: Missile Interceptor
MS: Military Supplies
MRM: Midrange Missile
OAAM: Offensive Anti-Aircraft Missile
PB: Precision Bomb

Maybe this is a dumb question but this is what I didn't understand. What you are saying is that you are watching some unit. I will use one of your examples.

One attack and bombing wing with a target of: 14,000 PB, 22,500 FM, 112,800 MS, 158,400 AF

If you watch that unit and one month it has 22,500 fighter missiles and each month it has less, how would you conclude that the unit is now consuming more ammunition than before instead of concluding that the unit is simply not getting supplied and before it was? Would you not have to both watch the amount of ammunition in your stock and the amount of ammunition in the unit to reach a conclusion about what it happening? The consumption indicated in the trade page and the finance page under "spending", likewise, would seem useful in this analysis.

If your goal is simply to rage here, my apologies. I can make my own thread to simply focus on the items I am interested in finding a solution to. I am trying some different things in the game and can save my results for that thread.

Aries, thank you for your very quick reply!

Oh no, it is not a dumb question at all! In fact, you point out two very important situations.

First of all, you just removed a huge misunderstanding in this discussion! Previous requests for information about the country's trade page seemed a little out of the blue; I did not understand how the drop in current numbers of ammunition and other resources in units is linked to the level of clearly well-stocked country reserves on the trade page. That is why I reiterated several times that we are talking about the current number of resources in units, because I completely did not understand the link (I am pretty much a newby, and I am curious in such an extent that I want to know everything about this game). So, thank you a lot for removing this misunderstanding!

Second, that is exactly my question. Me being a complete newbie, I do now know if this is a 1) change in the game settings, 2) bug in the game, or a 3) normal situation that I am just observing completely in a wrong way (together with jammiebrown1978 brown, Khome, and 2screwed, even though they are very experienced players and Khome is actually a player I look up to a lot on KB).

When it comes to the raging part, I do not know what you are talking about. Considering aforementioned misunderstandings, where do you see the raging? I know that I might be rather direct though. Together with Sunnyknight, Al Sadius, and whiteboy, amongst others, you are the elite and veteran of this game. Why on Earth would I rage against you, while you are actually the one helping out all the players here with all the advice and guidelines? Given all the information that you have provided, why would anyone start raging against you at all?

When it is about the spending under the finance section of the country, I found the following information regarding the past game month (March 3984) as total spending in SC$ / quality of the product:
AAM: 17.25M SC$ / 210
AF: 282.50M SC$ / 220
AVM: 7.32M SC$ / 213
DM: 31.35M SC$ / 205
FM: 663.12M SC$ / 207
Gasoline: 3,306.39M SC$ / 275
HAS: 41.64M SC$ / 301
HTA: 25.55M SC$ / 300
MI: 29.29M SC$ / 196
MS: 205.47M SC$ / 225
MRM: 200.83M SC$ / 291
OAAM: 888.42M SC$ / 301
PB: 1,492.57M SC$ / 300

Thank you again for looking at this issue for having provided valuable information on how this game actually works with the interconnectedness of the different parts! :-)

Number of weapons on those units would help. I am going to look at that attack and bombing wing and compare some of my own data. I will assume the 22,500 fighter missiles are meant to supply 300 fighter planes, as default fighter ammo runs 75 missiles/plane.

This means your 300 fighter planes are consuming 45 missiles/month according to the data you posted from your trade page. According to your spending page, the value of your consumed ammunition is $663.12M/game month and it identifies the quality of the consumed ammo to be be 207. The missiles in your stock are 207 quality while you said your units are at 300 quality. Because I have your world as KB, I can check that world's market price for fighter missiles and find it to be $7.12M.

This means 45 missiles times 207 quality (2.07) times $7.12M should be close to what we find on the "spending" tab of the finance page. I get $663.2M on my calculator with that which is close enough to what our spending page said, $663.12 (I believe quality is rounded to 2 decimal places in our data but figured for more for costs). Your fighters appear to use .15 missiles each worth about $2.21M.

Now, I can compare to my own consumption. My data:

Country: CC6
World: LU
Fighter Planes: 8000
Fighter Missiles used/month (Trade Page): 904
Fighter Missile cost/month (Spending Page): 24,773.42M SC$
Fighter Missile quality (Spending Page): 385
Fighter Missiles used/Fighter: .113
Fighter Missile cost of missile used/fighter: $3.1

You: Each fighter uses .15 missiles/month worth $2.21M (at 207 qua)
Me: Each fighter uses .113 missiles/month worth $3.1M (at 385 qua)

It appears the data validated the game news article I posted, showing higher quality ammo is used less than lower quality. Interestingly, the value of fighter missile ammo my fighters are using still come out higher/plane. The last thing it may be worth looking at would be to count your units and stock missiles and confirm that the total number of missing missiles comes out to the same number as the trade page, in your case "45". It is also worth checking to see which missiles seem to be consumed, the higher quality missiles in your unit or the lower quality in your stock. Does this all make sense? This is what you can do with data.

Thanks, that does indeed clarify a lot! For my FM, I do remember dropping numbers of 45, 90, 180, or other multiplications of 45 that could run up to as high as several hundreds (currently it is 90 below target). For the other ammunition, it also somehow adds up, or it gets close to the missing number in the units (or it is an exact multiplication in case of ammunition of resources that are not used that much, like with the FM). With HAS and HTA there is a bit larger gap, but that could be due to a lag in the supply. Could the dropping then be explained by a delay in resupplies?

I guess it also works this way for other resources, like fuel and MS, doesn't it? Those are the resources where the drops are most drastic, about half of what the target for the units is. But then probably those are also the most-widely used resources per unit.

In the end this seems actually pretty straightforward :p

So, if I understand it correctly, the unit used 45 FM per month with a quality of 300. Then these missiles get resupplied from the country stock with the available quality of 207 (with a huge delay, apparently), which is indicated as monthly use on the country's trade page. At the unit, those FM get again upgraded to a quality of 300. Does that seem correct?

For information purposes, the weapons in my units are currently as following:

The two LRD have each:
420 OAAM
120 HA
70 HJ
120 HT
120 MRMB

One attack and bombing wing has:
100 PB
300 FP

Another attack and bombing wing has:
400 PB

I have no shortages of any kind in any of my countries. I am having the same issue as every one else. I have never had this issue before and there is no reason, based on my supply situation, that I should be having an issue now. The fact that everyone else is having the same issue at the same time for no apparent reason means this is a problem the GM should explain and address. I could , if I wanted to, deactivate and then reactivate my units right now and they would be fully supplied. I have the same number of supply units as before this issue cropped up.

Aires, "You can fool some of the people all the time. You can even fool all of the people some of the time. But you can't fool all the people all the time."

GM, get off your asses and fix this problem.

I swear im having the same problem, only my units are supplied, they just keep on randomly disabling themselves for litterally no reason, the whole unit will disband and all 100% of its weapons in the unit will just deactivate. No messages in the news paper about the units, just says havent had gasoline for 12 months when they have gas in stock. I have plenty of supplies and ammo to fit its demands and this HAS NEVER HAPPENED before. So im starting to get convinced that theres something wrong with the units at the moment.

So, thanks to Aries we now know that the use of ammunition and other resources per unit is something very normal and is the standard usage needed for training and maintenance of the units.

It just seems as if the units aren't being resupplied any more that often. I am gradually increasing the amount of trucks I am having, hope that this will help on the long turn, but as far as now the "problem" persists. I have not yet had that units are dismantled, but I am fearing for it :-/

I have experienced units not getting supplies and some auto-ordering issues as well. I have not see anyone have a unit disbanded that was not for lack of ammo though.

When I open the logs of my supply units, I see the following message (example from one of the supply units):

"All operations performed by SLF LSU 1.

No action by SLF LSU 1 last week."

Mine is working fine... *touches wood*

I simply can't replicate this issue?

I'm having the same issues also. I dismantled and rebuilt some units and supply units just to see what happens. The problem does not seem to be affecting air units, just land units. May not be the case for all. I'm fully stocked w gasoline so I'm not seeing where the issue is. As Aries pointed out, no auto dismantling which is good. But I would like to know what happened, this is a sudden change.

Dominik makes a good point, the supply logs are uneventful. Even if they do supply my air units, there are no documented actions.

We would appreciate some reciprocation from the gamemasters!

Air units located within my country having supply issues as well. I have no shortage of supplies or supply units. I have created additional supply units and that initiated some resupply and the air units were all resupplied, but then the issue returned and again I have air units that have supply issues. I thought if you were not at war and the units were located in your country that supply units were not even required for units to be resupplied. What is going on ??

Army units in Mangra are not replenished.
Thu Nov 1, 3676 No Gasoline for the Units.
There are army and garrison units that are short of Gasoline for more than 12 months.

Please make sure the country has enough Gasoline in stock to replenish your forces.


I think this is the main issue, a bug or something, I have millions of gasoline, the supply unit even got dismantled. The server can`t detect enough resources, so no matter how many times u create the supply unit or how much resources u have, it is still not enough and the army can`t get resupply.

...same here, and i got 250k trucks in stock

I forgot to also mention I have plenty of trucks as well. I see no reason why I am suddenly hit with major supply issues out of nowhere. Seems to me like a glitch in the system.

I think it may be fixed, I'm not seeing it as often. I dismantled and then rebuilt supply units. Maybe it's the usual default setting but I noticed that the target amount of gasoline was somewhere around 170 or something like that. I bumped it up, so maybe that helped..?