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Bleeding enterprise tax bug? (Little Upsilon)

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NiAi (Little Upsilon)

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16 Mar 2011 09:26Link
Corporations bought, closed or moved and Enterprise Tax -801.73B SC$

No corps moved, closed or bought. Have similiar numbers for some months now...
(it used to be 80-160b)

What is going on???
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NiAi (Little Upsilon)

All worlds
16 Mar 2011 12:32Link
-1,124.26B SC$

in 1 month... WTF!
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NiAi

All worlds
16 Mar 2011 12:35Link
... whole gaming experience being destroyed by this. CEO will bankrupt in months if tax bug increases like this
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Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon)

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16 Mar 2011 17:10Link
My ceos keep disappearing money, I've been complaining about this for a very long time. Months now.
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NiAi (Little Upsilon)

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16 Mar 2011 17:49Link
Well, the cash isn't "disappearing ", it being drawn out with the mysterious enterprise tax. Over 5t gone so far.

Did your cash diappear in another manner?

This tax bug is gamebreaking
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Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon)

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16 Mar 2011 18:18Link
I just noticed the cash missing a few times, and lots of it. I get headaches trying to figure out things on this game so i rarely look into it. Usually I find out second hand on the forums lol. I'm trying to enjoy the game not break my head number crunching ya know. Nice catch though, I'm indebted to you :)
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NiAi (Little Upsilon)

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16 Mar 2011 22:42Link
-1,007.80B SC$ ...


loosing 1t EVERY month due to enterprise tax bug. 25% off gross revenue, 2x-3x monthly gross profit in tax EVERY month...

GM, please deal with this bug
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Kitsuné (Little Upsilon)

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17 Mar 2011 00:28Link
Something is wrong.

For this month,
Corporations bought, closed or moved and Enterprise Tax

Snow Fox (KB): -974.35B SC$
Arctic Wolf (KB): -75.11B SC$

The Unicorn Group (GR): -473.24B SC$

Demonology (WG): -65.75B SC$

Apathy Incorporated (FB): -257.71B SC$

Space Fox (LU): -561.98B SC$
Yoohoo and Friends (LU): -189.28B SC$

These are all really high. I think a little of Snow Fox's comes from closing a corp or 2, but the others didn't do anything as far as I remember. Demonology and Arctic Wolf's seem reasonable from looking at them but they're not either because those two enterprises only have 70-80 corps each.
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Keto (Kebir Blue)

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17 Mar 2011 02:44Link
3 out of 5 of my CEOS had no payments while the other 2 did, this month

-448SC$ and
-182SC$
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swann_88 (Golden Rainbow)

All worlds
17 Mar 2011 03:47Link
I moved a corporation in dec 2868
and every month since then -161.27B SC$
before that it was about -20 per month
interesting that this number has no graph
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Josias (Little Upsilon)

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17 Mar 2011 05:22Link
i'm having the same problem. my guess, it is really just a bug, because like this, their isn't much point to having a CEO, even for game level purposes.
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Scarlet (Little Upsilon)

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17 Mar 2011 08:20Link
Yeah, these numbers are WAY too high to just be enterprise tax anymore. Over 5 times what they used to be on my end.
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Linebacker Six (Little Upsilon)

All worlds
17 Mar 2011 08:24Link
Moved this into General.

If this isn't addresses immediately, we will be looking at losses of dozens of gc per week.
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Jonni Gil

All worlds
17 Mar 2011 11:48Link
We caught this a little late.
We are looking into the matter right now. We'll try to make sure everyone gets anything back they lost from this bug.

Sorry for the inconvenience,
more info on this soon.
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NiAi

All worlds
17 Mar 2011 13:17Link
Jonni, thx for responding and acting upon this. I hope things well get back to normal soon.
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Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon)

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17 Mar 2011 16:36Link
I have lost many many trillions for at least 2 real months. On LU that is a lot of money. I'm sure I can pinpoint my complaints about my ceo losing large sums of money even further back. 2 months is a generous estimate. You're really going to pay me back all that cash? I'll give you a high 5 :)
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NiAi

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17 Mar 2011 17:02Link
For me, this bug was taking effect late Monday or Tuesday this week.

Hopefully they might also find Wendys old bug messing with her. If that bug is related to this bug, only GM might know.

Anyways,do fix this bug and restore us soon please GM.
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swann_88 (Golden Rainbow)

All worlds
17 Mar 2011 17:42Link
if nothing else at least I am back down to only 38B this month

it would speed up people noticing and reporting these kind of problems if all lines on the financial stements had graphs
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Tom Willard

All worlds
17 Mar 2011 18:48Link
We have checked this again right now and found that the last update yesterday, introduced a different way for the enterprise taxes and caused an increase.
it is not in the trillions and not even close. it is several billions and we have seen it going up by 50 B in the largest enterprise in the game. no cost at all in enterprises that are not VERY profitable.

we have changed the formula and the numbers are down.

As to recent months, enterprises became much more profitable than before.
enterprises profits per game month are now much higher than in the past months and as game money is close to double its value compared with 6 months ago, the increase is even more significant.

We would like to see any example of an enterprise which is making a significant loss, month to month, because of the enterprise tax.
I cant imagine because only very profitable enterprises start paying the tax.
reasably profitable ones don't
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Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon)

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17 Mar 2011 19:04Link
Yeah Tom I just changed some things, Thanks for looking. I had an issue with my settings resetting in my country and ceos that left massive amounts of debt that I had to pay off manually. Of course since this only happened to me, no one cared to look into it although I did make a post about it in problems AND in the general forum.

I burned a few hundred trillions in paying off that debt.

No need to pay it back though. I just wanted to know why the settings were changed by themselves, which is the reason my countries and ceos tanked. Also had an issue with my govt salaries jumping as high as 850 in one game month. Took forever to get them back down. But no big deal, I don't care anymore than anyone else does. I'm just playing the game. Its all fake money anyway.
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Linebacker Six (Little Upsilon)

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17 Mar 2011 19:06Link
LOL. See my post in the General Section entitled Enjoy.

It seems to have been addressed, Tom; however, the bug was quite real.

When one is paying 268 billion Enterprise Tax on gross profits of 155 billion, something is seriously amiss.

And, yes, I am quite sure that I neither built, moved, or closed any corps in that time.

Again, the problem seems to been resolved. Tax is back down to previously established levels.
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Linebacker Six

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17 Mar 2011 19:18Link
Oh, and Tom, I may be an old man, but my calculator still works quite well.

Multiply 100 billion by 42 and one has a product of trillions.
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NiAi (Little Upsilon)

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17 Mar 2011 19:40Link
A reguluar month in NiAi StarRepublic Corp: ~200b Enterprise tax as most

One of the month yesterday: -1,124.26B SC$

Couple of billions.... Counting as americans now are we...

Im glad you have fixed the bug, however, this Enterprise did lose like 800B extra a month for over a game year... more than 50b now is it.

If you dont want to take responisbilty for the bug say it, but please do NOT BS us.

On a sidenote, my Enterprises corporations are doing fine, its that enterprise tax bug that ive had trouble with.
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NiAi (Little Upsilon)

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17 Mar 2011 19:46Link
-197.23B SC$ Enterprise tax this month.
It would seem tax has returned to normal (but higher as GM intended) levels. Hope it doesn't skyrocket again. Getting tax 300-400% of gross profit is than any communist state ever managed ;)

Will report again how the tax is evolving.

However, all those trillions robbed away by the bug, GM, will those be restored?
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Josias (Little Upsilon)

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17 Mar 2011 20:10Link
"upgraded enterprise corporations that produce at high levels, pay salaries that are reasonably high and do not request extreme price for their products are doing great. " -Tom

what tom said, for the most part is right. i mean his estimate of the extra tax being in the billions, the 50ish b range, was off. but the rest of it he is right

you really can't expect to run super high sals, super high quality supplies, and aggressive trade strats, and expect to make much of a profit. it doesn't work that way in the real world. it would be broken if it worked here

i doubt he has time to go through every ceo. but yes, running 400 sals will be much more profitable than 700-1200.

the old trade strats that have been kicked around for years... maybe players should revisit whats working, and what isn't.

if you run the high sals, and high q supplies, then you are purposefully passing the CEO profits