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How do YOU conquer a C3?

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08 Jul 2012 19:00 Link
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Marshal Trumm
09 Jul 2012 16:16 Link
First C3, I took with nothing but 300 FP and an LRD with following weapons:

300 MRMB
400 HT
300 HA

Second C3, I took with 300 FP (300 Q) and the same LRD.

My third C3, I took with one SF unit, 300 P. bombers, and 50 NFP (300 Q).
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edward78
14 Jul 2012 21:06 Link
I'm a newb and trying 1st time to take C3 and failed miserably. I would appreciate if someone could provide a step by step guide. What to attack 1st, with what and such.

I try to have air force and land unit. I use air force to attack defense until nothing to clear then only use LRD to attack target, but it failed miserably. I have no idea at at all. Btw, it is a town I'm attacking. I've even clear their air force with my air force.
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Crafty
15 Jul 2012 13:30 Link
In what respect did it fail? Did it get destroyed? If so then you havent destroyed the enemies helicopters. Thats probably what mashed your LRD. Target the helicopter wings directly after you have cleared the interceptors who respond to your attacking the town. Your fighters should take them out, no losses. Then you are safe to use your ground forces to attack targets like cities, towns etc.

Cities will have a small defensive garrison, I prefer to destroy the defences then the target but some just go in there and accept any small losses they receive.

Remember the trick of getting your LRD next to the first town you attack, before attacking, to vastly increase the power of your attacking air wings (presuming this is a next door C3) against their interceptors. The LRD acts kind of like a spotter.

Also I like to just have heavy tanks and artillery in my LRD for this kind of work, and carry more ammo than the default set up suggests, this saves you running out of ammo, you need quite a bit, and having to resupply/rebuild.

C3s will rebuild their airwings and defenses and cities etc if you give them enough time which means you have to destroy them all over again, so try to do this quite quickly if you can.

Note: I havent done this in a while myself, but I dont think its changed much, I expect someone will suggest slightly better tactics or hints, but my advice will get you to succeed.

Hope it helps, Crafty.
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James the Fair
18 Jul 2012 20:46 Link
Well you can use my war level 3 tactics if this helps.

To raid a C3 country I only use 3 types of weapons which are...

1000 Offensive anti aircraft missile batteries,
1000 mid range missile batteries and
1000 heavy tanks. All at quality 250.

Also with 15000 anti aircraft missiles,
30000 mid range missiles and
2500000 tank Ammunition. All at quality 120.

The first thing you do when attacking is by first..... taking out all the helicopter wings using your offensive anti aircraft missile batteries, but not the interceptor wings as they can not attack ground units and will save you ammo from taking them out.

Then second use your mid range missile batteries which will take out all the defensive weapons that are stationed at cities and forts etc... then thirdly use your heavy tanks to finish off and destroy the cities and forts etc... and keep on repeating this process until the country surrenders.

Although if you're at a lower war level you won't need this much in terms of weapons and ammunition and don't forget to use the rapid deployment units if you're attacking a far away country which will take 12 real hours to constuct itself into an airstrip so you can land your main units to invade and destroy the enemy.
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28 Aug 2012 15:18 Link
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Tallisibeth na Colliete
23 Mar 2013 22:30 Link
It's a shame that most of these tactics mention here was during a time when most LRD had 3000 weapons. I wonder when people are going to come up with a way to win with a much smaller force.
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Alyan Locien
24 Mar 2013 06:48 Link
Easy.
Build a attack/bomber wing. and 3 SF's and 3 Airdrop wings.

Dec a nation that is NOT right next to you. drop the sf's and paint. after most of the country is painted. attack a town and just attack defence. then go on and bomb the crap out of the corps, then capital.
If you did not take it over by then, then your ppl just suck and you should not worries about raiding.
(this plans involves bombers that in a few planets can not me bought in the open market.)
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President John Henry Eden
27 Mar 2014 22:36 Link
What does it take to conquer a war level 5 c3 on the cheap? I am getting creamed by the stealth bombers...Thought that AA would work with Mids. The documents state they can be destroyed by AA, but in all attempts, no scratch to stealth bombers..
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craigwilliamson79
22 Apr 2014 10:31 Link
Here's what I do for C3 WL 6:

I use Fleets and Special forces exclusively.

Two ways you can do this: the first is to attack a nearby country and suffer the stealth counter attacks. Make sure you have some air attack units and lots of good interceptor units. If you don't have air attack units, it seems the c3 will target your own stealths (which gets very expensive) Also, if you don't have decent interceptor wings with replacements available, the stealths will hit you badly.

The other apporach makes you invincible.

Send your fleets far off, and use allied bases etc to bring SF within dropping range. Make sure the country you are attacking is far enough away to be out of range of the stealths.

This way, you'll lose nothing except for the cost of the weapons.

For weapons, I use a mixture of Guided Missiles and Cruise Missiles to take out the cities (cruise are vastly better, but Guided missiles seem to bring the casualty number up). I also use cruise only for fortifications (usually takes about 7 or 8 at quality over 300) and also attack corporations (takes about 24 cruise attacks to take one of those out). I then paint with SF.

Cruise are pricey, but the total cost should be under 200 billion and the profits at WL 5 are, what..3 trillion?
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maclean
22 Apr 2014 11:10 Link
I climb onto a big rock on the country's border and turn them all into stone by uglying them to death. :)
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drys0013
23 Apr 2014 04:45 Link
john if you fight that way, then you attack a city or helos and let the stealths respond, they will run out of ammo or weapons, your defense will kill them off. you might want to check your defense, it might not be up to par. I think craig said a mouthful in what he said. I have never lost much even with stealth counter attacks @ WL6. It helps to have a defensive slave that can help you defend. If your doing it alone and have no help from your federation or slaves then your loses will be greater. my interceptors in my attacking country and my def. slave usually does the trick. you get more ints to respond when you have help from a friend or your own empire. BTW I never attack a SBW directly. In my wars the defense kills them off before they cause issues. I think the biggest loss was like 19 pbs and 30 ints. and of course this could be a very long post if I get any more details into it.

@ maclean was it a chemical attack? lol

@ALL ON THIS THREAD: I do encourage you to verse themselves in all ways to war: land, navy, and air. since in pvp it is way different. And quality makes a difference! defiantly when you get past WL3. expensive, but a must.
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Mizore
24 Apr 2014 08:48 Link
This may no longer be the case, but... Stealth prioritize the unit with the largest number of weapons (within the unit type they target). When stealth are targeting Air Wings, you could COMPLETELY AVOID this mechanic by creating a single unit of Attack Drones (which cannot be damaged by Stealth Bombers), then making every other "real" Air Wing 1 weapon smaller. I believe the same is true of ground divisions... using a weapon that Stealth cannot damage.

Of course, in order to be effective, you need the Attack Drone wing to be in range of the Stealth and in a position where your own air defense does not respond. Which can be a simple as dismantling (unless they made dismantling carry a cost of some sort) or airlifting out of air defense range.

Priority is something you should ALWAYS be looking at.
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James Folsom
31 Aug 2024 01:32 Link
Bump, alot of good things to try out in this thread.
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mrp8196
20 Jul 2025 23:55 Link
use occupational units. When you take it way less construction cost. you will blow up less cities. Take out defense first. I found the navy ineffective. How do ground units kill a ship. The thing is I can get the airbase construction unit to work
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hymy1
21 Jul 2025 00:23 Link
What was ineffective about the navy?
Exphon
28 Aug 2025 02:44 Link
This is how I fight c3s. My method is based on speed, so it is not the most cost effective method. It can still be more cost effective than trial and error for an inexperienced player. When I fight c3s, I'm usually fighting multiple wars, one at a time in quick succession. I like to build up an offensive force to fight around 10-14 wars. Ranging from WL3 to WL11.

All weapons and ammo are 330 quality unless otherwise specified.

I like to have my army set up in advance of the coming multi war campaign. I will have 10 Long Range Divisions. Consisting of 9000 offensive anti-aircraft missile batteries, and 10,710 mid range missile batteries. 900 OAAMB, 1071 MRMB per unit. More batteries will be active in reserve to resupply.

I will set up at least 5 or more attack and bombing wings. All will only have precision bombers. Each wing will have 524 precision bombers.

For war levels 4 and above I like to have both interceptor wings and missile defense divisions. I will usually have 5 or more interceptor wings and 2 missile defense divisions. ( or more ) 2 missile defense divisions will consist of 400 each of Anti-aircraft missile batteries, defensive missile batteries and missile interceptors.

You can simply use interceptor wings, but in my experience the missile defense divisions will significantly reduce the loss of all weapons in stealth bomber counter attacks, while simultaneously completely eliminating all stealth bombers with each counter attack. This will greatly reduce the need to resupply weapons for the campaign.

I will have at least 10 or more small supply units. Only consisting of 170 armored vehicles each of 120 quality.

I will have at least 10 or more air transport units 51 transport planes each. 120 quality

1 Rapid deployment unit and 12 or more special forces units.

Once my army is set up I will look for a cluster of c3 countries, preferably within bomber range without needing to airlift the bomber units. Within 4800 miles/km. Once I find a cluster I like I will declare war and airdrop my rapid deployment unit to create an airstrip, and drop 4 special forces units spread out in open areas of the c3 to paint. Once the airbase is deployed I will airlift all of my Long Range Divisions, interceptor wings and missile defense divisions to the c3. I will leave one interceptor wing and missile defense division at my home country to defend the military base. At higher war levels they will counter attack your bases directly, which is why I leave a defensive unit behind.

Once my units are in place I begin by attacking a county or towns defenses with my LRD until the helicopter wings and stealth bombers stop responding. Once they stop responding I select targets directly and attack each helicopter wing and stealth bomber wing with my LRDs. Then I will destroy the interceptor wings with my LRD as well. You will end up going through more offensive anti aircraft missiles this way, but it is cheaper to destroy the int wings as well, then use your bomber wings to attack target defenses directly. This is also much cheaper than simply using fighter/bomber wings. Since there will always be many more interceptor wings than helicopter wings.

Important note: When you're at higher war levels there will be land defense divisions you have to watch out for. Do not attack any target near the land defense divisions or you will suffer unnecessary losses. ALSO, try to avoid declaring war on a c3 if the offensive military base, and airport are close to eachother especially at higher war levels. If you do, every time you destroy a defense wing you will lose more weapons. Attacking the land defense divisions directly will also result in massive weapon loss. If you want that country in particular or are at a lower war level, such as 5 or below it won't be as much of a problem. I'm not sure the range that the land defense divisions respond, but it isn't much, thankfully. It's best to try to avoid land defense divisions of at all possible.

Once the wings are destroyed, paint the map with your special forces units. Try to paint as much territory as possible up to 25 damage points, before you start attacking targets. If you can't you can start by attacking the capital, than cities that are in the way. With the bomber wings. Try to paint as much as you possibly can before you destroy targets.

Tip, if you paint over a city or corporation that has not been destroyed, that means it is ungarrisoned. Once you've painted 25 points, destroy those targets first. I usually always destroy the capital first, than ungarrisoned cities.

Attack defenses of each target first before directly attacking the target. DO NOT use the LRD to attack cities, corporations, forts or any garrisoned target or you will lose all of your mid range missile batteries. Also, way more mid range missiles are needed to destroy a target than bombs. This is why I still use bomber units.

Once you've run low to no mid range missile batteries in a LRD, airlift the unit back to your country so you can dismantle it and set up a new unit to airlift back. If you stop fighting a war and do something else for a few hours, when you come back, if you have the available weapons and ammo available your supply units should be able to resupply your army on their own.

After each war ends in the cluster I airlift or return 4 special forces units. Start the next war, and drop 4 more into the next country. I wait for the special forces units to land, then paint and repeat the process. I don't paint with my LRDs, I keep them at the airbase close to the missile defense division.

This is how I fight c3 wars. Hopefully someone can utilize this information. This, on a much smaller scale is still effective however. You can easily win WL4 or 5 with just a few LRDs, one or two int wings and a defense missile division. I usually go thorough one or two bomber wings in the higher wl wars.
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hymy1
30 Aug 2025 07:43 Link
Few errors, 99% good
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mrp8196
31 Aug 2025 23:06 Link
I use air units and missilles. Use the occupational units to paint target. otherwise you will pay like 10 tril on construction. First attack the units. Blow up all the factories you dont like. All the green ones. Then the forts. Attack the helper unit. Blue all the bases. The capital. You may have to attack 3 regular cities. When your ready to blow up caputal paint the board