World War (Golden Rainbow)

With all this greif and distruction recently, have we entered a world war in GR? Or are we leading to one, because I looked at the war map, and theres at least two wars in every region basicly that deals with the war between GREFF and the UC. So are we in a world war, or almost getting there. lol. Or am I just looking at things wrong

Actually this is a pretty limited war all things considered. It just so happens the handful of combatants all have good sized empires spread around the planet.

There are a LOT of members on both sides not actively engaged. And this is probably the first major war on GR in more than a year. Its not typically quite this violent.

-Slare
GREF Founding Council member

Ahhhh ok. Yea I am in UC, and my area was a conflict area for some time, but I'm not going to join in the fighting. I dont see the point in this war, that and I have friends in GREF.

Well we at GREF don't consider this a GREF vs UC war - just a fight against few specific individuals. We have many friends in UC too ;)

Heck, Wendy wasn't even really on our radar, we had no beef with her at all. Its unfortunate she decided to back JohnL.

-Slare
GREF Founding Council member

I think it is more unfortunate that more of the UC members have not backed its current chairman, as many in GREF have taken up fighting on a strictly party line.

I am not sure what you mean by the "strictly party line" thing. GREF is modelled along the lines of a federal republic. The elected ruling council makes decisions by consensus, and its not like Abe is ordering any of us to fight. Note that despite your throwing some nukes at me, I have declined to engage you despite my being on the council and being an ex-president of GREF - I really have no issues with you.

If UC members aren't backing their chairman against the "evil GREF aggressors", I think that says a lot about the chairman's approval rating. Its probably the same reason we have former UC members fighting him.

For all of the talk urging GREF to remove Abe, I have to wonder if John has already been de facto removed, if not de jure.

I really think you backed the wrong horse here Wendy.

Thats the thing Slare. Everyone wants to jump on the first horse they see charging ahead taking the lead. I don't get down like that. You could be the underdog in any fight, if I were on your side, you'll know I'll be there. Win lose or draw. That is the problem with most feds and their subsequent downfall. Everyone wants to be on the winning team. It is always fun to gang bang an outnumbered opponent. But how much fun is that? When you don't have the numbers, who will stand by your side regardless of the outcome. I guarantee you, less than 8 out of 10.

If i will fight you all, and continue to hold my own, how much easier will it be to humble the remaining two? I'm not saying it will happen over night, but give it some time, I promise you things will enter an even ground for us to meet on.

Because you have chosen not to engage me, is probably the reason your country isn't flat like Mikey's. (Psst, he had 100 million, you don't). For that, I respect your decision not to fight.

Obviously, the whole of UC doesn't back what you said. The UC has it's own devices to remove hostile presidents from it's ranks.... peacefully, and then otherwise if necessary. You guys talk like you have an inside line or something. Do you guys secretly run the UC or what? I was asked to rejoin, by someone with a greater UC authority than you or whoever you spoke to. You seem to imply that the UC has hung John L out to dry. I was asked to help? So that means I am being sacrificed as well, yes? Why the deception, why the trickery? I am certain you are being deceived. Maybe it was easieer to ask me to help, becuase it was easy to see what I will inevitably do to you. Rather than mobilize an entire federation who was attacked suddenly and without warning. There is no doubt many don't want to fight or won't fight. But that is exactly the prrof of the example I gave you.

8 out of 10 will not stand with you when it really counts. I stand at the ready . . . Only an act of God will stop me from what i will do. Are you even ready? Your horse jumped out of the gate fast, have you given thought to the backstretch? The first horse out the gate almost never wins the race.

So you really think GREF members are fighting you and John just to be on the winning side?

You don't think this has anything to do with the fact that John was out recruiting off-worlders specifically to come attack us? He brought this on himself with his own actions.

We may have been the first horse out of the gate, but that's only because we weren't going to stand around waiting to be taken to the glue factory. We are a peaceful fed, but not a suicidal one.

As for the internal politics of UC - you yourself seemed disappointed that the UC membership isn't supporting John more. The UC isn't some tiny, helpless fed here, it has the capability to join the fight on an equal basis, I can't see fear or weakness as being an excuse to stay out of the fight. More likely passive non-support of the leadership is what we are seeing.

Whatever method the UC has for removing a chairman, its probably a lot easier to sit back and let outsiders do most of the work for you. After all, if someone in UC rocks the boat and fails because John hasn't yet done anything truly incompetent, he'd be next on John's beatdown list.

But once John has been defeated as a result of his own schemes, getting active support for a change of leadership would be much more successful.

At least that's how someone politically competent would do things. Maybe UC has a lack of politically competent people it its ranks?

You are joking right? You are betting on alot of assumptions you had better hope to be true. I am not dissapointed to see anyone who doesn't wanna fight, fight. I always fight alone, it is rare that you will ever see me go in and gang bang someone's country from under their feet with a coalition. Thats not my style. I like to be outnumbered. I KNOW what I can do to a president one on one. I look for a challenge not an easy kill. If I weren't outnumbered, this wouldn't be a contest. That is a fact. This is what makes it fun.

I like to antagonize on the forums... and what better way to do it, than by frustrating several opponents at the same time.

Tunnel vision you have.

Pride....my favorite sin. When I run out of nukes, which will be a long time from now at this rate, I'll be coming to test your conventional skills and see how incompetent you are. Meanwhile you have some time to prepare. Use it wisely. This is something else I will find challenging, even though I will Isolate you, you KNOW I am coming.

As far as John being defeated, it is unlikely that you will defeat anything. He may quit fighting if he so chooses to. And you can call it how you see it. Remember you all declared on him. When will I quit? In the next simlife.

You want a challenge, I can respect that. I guess I personally prefer fighting *for* something, rather than fighting for fighting's sake.

As you noted: ""I think it is more unfortunate that more of the UC members have not backed its current chairman".

You obviously see the same thing I see, you even brought it up first. I see only two explanations for it:

- UC members who would normally fight for a just cause they believe in don't see backing their current leader as being a cause worth their effort

- UC (as a whole, excluding yourself of course) just isn't *able* to effectively defend their leader. Either because of military weakness, or possibly a total lack of organization/leadership.

There may be other explanations, I'd be curious to hear your thoughts. I just don't buy #2. And #1 pretty much means GREF is doing the right thing.

Yes I think it is unfortunate that more UC members have not entered this war. Which would show support for John L. However, I don't understand how you turn it into an assumption of dissapointment. Dissapointment would somehow indicate that I had a prior expectation of anyone joining in. I came to fight before being asked to rejoin the UC, regardless of what they did independently of me. What does that tell you?If more entered the war and intended to win, I am sure your eco fed of b00b warriors would be quickly crushed. That is NOT an assumption, but a matter of fact. You are fortunate that it has been a limited response.

With all that said, it is cute to come out here and paint a pretty picture of John's defeat. This game is not setup for anyone to be defeated. The loser is the one who taps out first.

I am sure for now, I will give your federation complex all it can handle.

I don't find this situation challenging at all. The outcome is inevitable. You just need more convincing. The result of the instigation of a war against the UC chairman, is what I find challenging. A real total war. How many countries will I take while being undermined by several opponents.... now that is challenging.... The amount of time it will tkae to fully demobilize your main combatants armies.... now that will be a challenge. But this situation as it stands is rather hilarious. You guys were prepared well to tkae one or maybe even more than 1 of John''s countries. You were in no way in the world prepared to fight the kind of fight I will bring to you. It has been refined like pure gold, and trust me, the outcome is inevitable....

Just for the record, The United Confederation backs John 100%. We know there may be some differences amongst other players and realize most people don't get along with eachother, the only objection against John at anytime was allowing entrance to Steven Ryan in the UC which John dealt with accordingly. However, most of us in the UC are not active due to real life issues, I do know though if this was the full UC fed against two GREF players this war wouldn't of lasted this long it would of been done within 24hrs. I applaud Wendy and John for holding thier own even when out numbered; the question is though, what happens when UC "awakens"? Will GREF than decide that is was a bad choice to make?

On a side note, I hope everyone had a Happy Thanksgiving and that you all should start your Christmas shopping early it's around the corner,
take care.

Hey crosss, message me. Kingdom of Gondolia. lost your countrys name in my messages

hmm. I am not sure that adds up, Crossdale.

100% backing, yet no one can find the time to convert that supposedly solid backing into action more than two weeks into the conflict.

100% backing, yet your members didn't feel it worth the effort to spend the 30 seconds entering anti-boycott votes.

I don't know exactly how UC is structured, but in GREF that would pretty loudly scream "NO CONFIDENCE" and anyone who cared about keeping the fed a viable entity would be working on getting new leadership in place.

I am not talking theoretically here either, this pretty much exactly what happened to Q back in our early days. Its why I got appointed as acting President by the council, then elected as GREF's second president shortly thereafter. The people spoke and Q heard it loud and clear, though he wasn't happy about it. I have a feeling the people are speaking now, but the UC leadership isn't listening.

Ok let me help you get it....

You or your eco b00b fed do not decide when anyone does anything apart from your own members. Even that is in question when Zeb states, "We of course planeed to attack John for some time now, but Aqua's war decs caught everyone off guard."

The UC is half inactive. Most of it's fighters are anyway. If UC members wanna fight they will fight. You were half prepared. And more than half of that 'free' war protection is over. Now it is gonna cost you to keep those pretty mornin gems in protecto, and further cost you to adequately defend them. It is only a matter of time before this bites you in the bum. You have to pay the cost to be the boss. Unless you plan on swiping it is theoretically impossible for you to continually protect entire empires. When you slip, I will grip.

When skimming through a few of your countries in your fed complex. The local news papers give a clear sign of weakness.... "Such and Such not able to maintain its army. 20 percent of weapons have been moved to the reserves" I hope you tighten that up before you run out of real life cash to throw away.

As far as I can see this is all about a group of renegades called 'The Rat Pack' trying to get away with day light robbery. I've seen many empires taken and stripped when the president was dealing with RL. And each time it turns my stomach. So on that note I offer up my empire to John L and Inanna.
It is the season to sacrifice.
May the good be victorious.
May the bad burn in the fire ball of hell.

Peace&Hardcore.............Nix001
MNA

Why Thx nix, join the party

For those who realize it and ignore it, as well as for those who don't realize it yet:

-UC is almost entirely inactive.
-It will almost certainly come back
-Of the members in UC when Q was attacked, there are currently.... 3ish remaining, of which Crossdale deregged his empire.

I left UC when I came back to the game because quite literally no one I knew was remaining or active in UC, and my friends there had either gone inactive or had left UC. This last spring, there was indeed a debate in the UC about whether or not to crush GREF, for which I was against. Many worried that GREF would grow, get bored, and attack (lol), but the MAJORITY thought that it didn't matter and voted this down. An active UC would be able to take care of any upstarts. Funny how this stuff works out.

UC is not what it once was in size, power, or personality, but it also is not what it will be in the coming months. No one seems to realize any of this so I figured I' toss in my two cents from the sidelines.

I suppose John shouldn't have been out attempting to recruit our friends on other worlds to come attack us, if he didn't have an active fed to back him up when word inevitably got back to us from those he tried to recruit.

If we were truly going for daylight robbery we could have gone after all those inactives that currently litter the UC. But clearly our strikes have been limited to John and whoever else decided go get involved for their own reasons.

We are hardly attempting to dismantle UC here....in fact we would welcome some friendly rivalry with an active UC under some responsible leadership, because UC isn't our enemy. Its unfortunate John had to attempt to upset things.

LoL UC isn't out enemy, LOL!!! Why are you still talking?

Feds have neither friends nor enemies, just interests. That's pretty much international relations 101 right there.

Its in neither UC or GREF's interest to get in a fight over the actions of John. Again, if UC as a whole were our target we wouldn't nearly as selective with who we are attacking.

The only reason I'm still talking is because you guys are still spouting nonsense about what's going on in an attempt to garner some support. Not a bad concept in principle, but its not been very well executed.

All I have to do is just tell it like it is, anyone can go and verify what our targets have been and make up their own minds as to our intentions.

This war is both UC and GREFF's fault. Mostly GREFF as stated you all were planning to attack John. Clearly John got wind of that and knew everyone was away with holidays so he went and got people from out of world to kick your asses. So yes, UC is GREF's enemy, or why would you all plan an invasion on its leader. Thats an act of war, own up and stop using big proper words to hide your selves. I lost all respect for GREF when I watched them call Wendy and bitch and make fun of her kids. So piss off and fight. No more words from here on out, don't even respond to this post as I will not be checking the forums no more. I myself won't be fighting, but I am jsut saying.

(Sorry for the rudeness and abrupt talks...I've had a very bad day...and if any of you bash me for having a bad day I will go off...just saying that from what I've seen how you all treated wendy..)

Fight the war you started GREF. Winner takes all, end of story. Stop talking.

No-one in GREF made fun of wendy's kid's King Yahuchtka, though some of the posts got rather more aggressive and on more of a personal level than was really neccessary, but this is something both sides were guilty of.

At the end of the day this is just a game, some people enjoy the econ side, some the war side and some the social-political side.

GREF's issue was isolated with John, as previosely stated in another thread many UC and ex UC members are friends with many of our members, i personally have never had an issue with any member of the UC, nor have most in GREF. Many issues with Jonh L actually pre-date his membership in the UC, and those that dont are with his recent conduct.

I have spent time recently helping you King Yahuchtka, this is not something i would have done if i considered the UC an enemy of GREF, my desire is to keep new players in the game, irrespective of the federation they are in.

...... Tendo, you're right. It did get a bit personal. We have moved passed personal issues. Although, calling my children's mom a 'whack job' was a bit insulting to them. They were quite upset, which is why they have not stoppped clicking the button on the red screen since. I have to disagree with you about it being both parties getting personal, when I say, 'Taste the PAINBOW' is hardly an insult. I find it rather LuLzy, and it was intended to be so. Hope that clears things up