Gun law

yah I know the purpose but common who cares?


Karl Marx actually had it right when he said religion was simply an opiud for the masses


I wanted to punch santorum so bad when he said he thought obama was a cathlolic like he was paying him a compliment by telling him his time in office was actually sanctioned by the church I think America has actually become more extreme in religion the past decade or so except a more deluded scary kind of way not the same as our forefathers who were mostly diests not evangelists he Gdp really has lost its way idk if any of you people have been to anything like life teen or stuebenville or some goofy retreat but those places are fucked up bad its like a cult people who get touched by the holy spirit somehow cant stop laughing or crying in a maniacal fashion ohhh shiver me timbers I fear the worst for America when my generation takes over

Fiscally conservative are what makes libertarians stupid. Not empowering the masses is what leads to devastation to the masses. A weaker federal government keeps people from being empowered, it keeps them stupid, and so the libertarian party is stupid. Not quite as bad as the repugnant party, but eh... still caters to the problem class of the United States/world.

If people were more educated they would take on better interests than guns. People simply aren't challenged and don't realize that happiness comes from the amazing feats we accomplish. Criminals have the seen the rewards of their efforts and what they see is the quickest best way to make a buck, those habits move into the other faucets of their lives. We need to breed and nurture productive members of society than guns won't even matter.

But as of now of it does, and you can't take a baseball bat into a theator and kill dozens before they get taken down. An

Cars kill most people and govenments

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Lovely quote Drew, I just couldn't resist repeating that, sorry...

When's the last time that hair went near a faucet? lol.

Lorelei, can you see a different avatar for me? You mentioned it above. There should be one but I still see the pink poodle.

how does having a small federal government make people stupid i do not understand just because a government is small doesnt mean it cant provide good education....and btw i know many people who are educated and productive members of society and STILL like guns so im wondering what world you live in

btw shooting up a theatre doesnt get you any money it gets you put in jail...it is simply a result of our sad society and people

Crafty..Pink poodle is now bulldog on steroids.

Drew...Put the bong away for a few days.

The chances of being killed in a mass shooting is as likely as being killed by a falling piano. I find it odd that all these shootings start at one time. First my hometown in Tuscaloosa, then Colorado, now this temple shooting. Your a hundred time more likely to die in a car accident but we still have cars, and bars who serve idiots that plan to drive home. This is typical scare a thon. Something happens then omg lets run to the goverment and have them protect us. Yea sure, let the cops and milatary only have guns....see where that leads too. People only talk about whats going on at the moment. Why arent more people smart enough to see what will come in the future. Only the goverment has guns, only the goverment has power. Only the goverment has the ability to kill, at least so easily anyway. Well when that happens the same people will be on forums complaining about that, and how we need our guns back. What happened after 9/11. Because of one event its now

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The laws are to prevent drunken fights getting out of hand (e.g. glassings). People who are drunk tend to do these things regardless of their normal state. Nothing to do with criminals or mentally unstable people.<!-/Quote-!>

The first thing alcohol effects is judgement, I've never seen a "mean drunk" that didn't carry that trait in the first place.

They just don't hide it as well.

Sounds to me like Australia should consider banning alcohol at public gatherings.

That's selective listening, small government by definition limits investment in public civil institutions. How doesn't small government limit education? That is what it means, don't have the government intervene spend less yaddi yadda. If we invest less (smaller gov) we give a lower quality. Very simple.

Philosophy really should be taught to everyone, about the people wanting guns thing, people give into simple pleasures because they are addicted to it, if people understood (or were educated correctly) they would move away from simple pleasures like gun, and enjoy their lives being in the service of others or the community they live in.

Don't downplay gun violence, cars are a big difference. Gun violence is intentional, cars are accidents. Don't forget it

Don't over rate gun violence, firearms are no where near the tool of choice when committing murder in the U.S.

Now if you educated correctly in history, you would more likely than not, have different views.

■Murders total – 13636
■Murders with handguns – 6452 (47.32%)
■Murders with rifles – 348 (2.55%)
■Murders with shotguns – 418 (3.07%)
■Murders with unknown firearms – 1928 (14.14%)
■Murder with knives or cutting instruments – 1825 (13.38%)
■Murders with other weapons – 1864 (13.67%)
■Murders with hands, fists, feet etc.. – 801 (5.87%)
2009 - US

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Take the guns away and those rates would rise in other areas. Guns are easier to murder, duh! It takes a real man to gut someone but a bitch could pull a trigger. And the main reason those stats are so high.....the murder rates come from slums and projects. Its not innocent people being killed even tho that happens sometimes. It over drug turf. Half of those statistics are people who probally deserve to die in the first place. You think banning guns will change that. People will just be taking weed eaters to peoples faces, setting people on fire, stabbing people. The murder rates are risen because the world is becoming godless and obcessed with gangbanging.

I myself am a Gangster Disciple. Cousins and affiliates of the LA Crips. Theirs 100,000 of us all around the country. My set is 974 and my rank is Knight, soon to become Set Prince. My organization started over drug trade but its since become a brotherhood. The 6 Point Star stands for love, lif

Your numbers are off Drew ... where did you get the information I'd like to see a link.

2009 murders in the U.S. was several thousand higher, but at any rate have been dropping since 1997 as crime in all categories has.

First, I resent the notion that drunk driving is an accident.

Who chooses not to make arrangement to have someone else drive (or to drink in a situation where there is a need to drive)?
Who chooses to drink in this situation?
Who chooses to get behind the wheel?

Drew, I think you need to reevaluate your notion of personal responsibility.

Second, I resent the notion of philosophy leading to people "enjoy[ing] their lives being in the service of others or the community they live in." If there is one thing that philosophy leads to, it is questioning things.

Why should I serve others?
Why should I let society determine whether or not I own guns?
Why should I allow the government to maintain compulsory education?
Why should I consent to be governed?

If I don't think I should do any of these, what happens?
I think you'll find the answer down the barrel of a gun.

lol scarlet those answered questions are answered with John Stuart Mill, I know I use him a lot but with reason. Anyways I'll break it down real quick. Take your most awesomest day (you all seem to be pretty straight edge [no disrespect] but I'll use this argument anyways.) Take the most awesome day while completely off your rocker drunk/high/tripping no doubt an incredible experience. But when you look back what are you filled with? maybe not regret but it isn't anything positive. Some of you may argue that you look back at times of indugence with happiness however you are being tricked if you are not sharing that experience you aren't happy about it you are only remeniscent. I mean if you were given an invisible royles royce is that better then an invisible fast not million dollar car? Think about it, how much do we really do in the service of others? Is it the drunken escapade that fills us with happiness or is i

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Many people have guns and they have not commited murder. That should be the argument we all use. If your not going to take alcohol away, or other things away then dont tell me you want guns taken away just because you dont own one or care to own one. Other people just like hunting and shooting. Most people have them to defend themselves and their family. Its the Great equalizer, if alot of theives break into your house, well one man cant fight them all and he has a right to defend them. Or if a woman is home alone, she must defend herself. Theres many cases where guns have saved lives and protect innocent people.

My advice is just know and understand the worlds changing and theres crazy shit going on. All you can do is be careful and protect your own. I for one, feel alot safer with guns in my home. Because i know i have a fighting chance agaisnt anything that may happen. Im not a sitting duck.

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@ Yankee I google searched murder by weapon and went to the sight that said FBI on it. So umm the FBI's statistics.<!-/Quote-!>

Funny since I also go to the FBI for stats. I still have to wonder where those came from. Since like I said, your total numbers are low once again I think you picked just what you wanted.

Anyway you cut it, crime in the U.S. in all categories has been dropping since 1997. So take your pick, either the economy, poverty levels, education, drug related crime is being interdicted better by the police, or concealed carry combined with the "castle laws" are having an effect.

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Then why is it drunk drivers, at least around he

Oh god, a utilitarian. A top-down philosophy if there ever was one.

First, I'd like to issue a three pronged challenge:

1. How is it that we share experiences? I do not see what you see. I do not feel what you feel. I do not hear what you hear. I do not taste what you taste. In fact, we each have independent subjective experiences because we are not part of a shared consciousness. Experience is tied solely to a conscious entity... and we are each independent conscious entities. (Note: the point here is best decribed by number of experiences... two separate experiences or one shared experience... not saying we taste the same thing different.) Perhaps you meant that we experience events in the world with each other? If so:

2. If we do not share experiences, how can the value of an action be determined outside an individual subjective judgement? You're arguing that actions can possibly have intrinsic val

sorry to get off topic drew but I do t see the logic in your small government argument the way I see it is small government is simply prioritizing what the spend money on better

potential government revenue 100 dollars

big government

30 on military
30 on social security
5 on welfate
10 on education
25 on subsidys

small government

10 on military/ police
20 on social security
10 on welfare (hopefully better utilized)
20 on education
5 on subsidys
25 back into the pockets of consumers to drive the economy in a free market fashion

that's economics

small government also doesn't make decisions that should be made by the individual marijuana use abortion weather to drink a large soda or not consumption of alchohol.....also all of these things transfer into more savings for the government I would rather have a small government that faery's out its

@Alexandrov ok I like your list I do. If it was accurate that would be a great but there are many big government (most democrats) that would also like to have that 20% you stole from military, and also you can't lower social security that is many owed to peoople who invested in it, it isn't government money. To think that additional money would be put into welfare or education is twisted also. Libertarians seem to have moved to the third most prominant party but you are ignoring the idea that there is a difference between what parties would want to see those numbers at and what they are actually capable of changing them to. And there is also a big difference between a democrat and a republican. I'm neither or a socialist or a libertarian, despite being called a utilitarian. If you limit the power of the fed you see a divide, you see inequality among different regions, states, and even though the fed is incompotent that's nothi

@ Scarlett now you made things complicated. You are mixing metaphysics with epistemology, makes things really confusing but I’ll bite. Alas no we are not of a single consciousness and everything we do is subjective. But there are universal truths to all of it, when you accomplish something, and accomplish something else they are similar feelings. When you consume something and then consume something else you are filled with a similar feeling. And I liked your argument but it was founded on a misconception. Humans are social beings, and share things with each other, I was referring to this more in regards to stories not both being present, because both entities are sure to interpret things differently, but that has no relevance here. I’m saying you may have a blast flying down a road at 135 miles per hour and not get caught. You may be happy telling the story and sharing it, but when you are in the isolation of your own mind

I find your argument weak and muddled the way I see it is Republicans and democrats just want to control people Republicans socially and morally and democrats economically both make outrageous claims about helping the middle or lower class and fixing the economy (which is not the job of the government how can an entity even attempt to control something as large and complex as the economy) hey they don't really do anything except drive America closer to doom we have a huge military yet people feel more threatened then ever an ever changing foriegn policy a growing debt a growing discontent huge dispartys in access to education and other social programs huge ammounts of crime and a population of mostly bigwigs all as. a result of straying from historical American values

libertarians are the true carriers of what America was meant to be and the idea that having a small government will hurt education or other social programs is silly the

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And it�s ridiculous to use the argument criminals will still find a way to get guns, if guns get increasingly harder to find.<!-/Quote-!>

As anyone with a desire to obtain a firearm when none is available will tell you:

You get them from the Police, or you get them from the Military.

National Guard Armory's are one of the easiest places to case and rob if you know which one's keep the weapons at. If you have a need for large amounts that's where you go.

If you just need one or two .. take them from a cop.

Either one can get you shot or the law after you if they know where to look, but then criminals generally run that risk anyway.

And as far as drunk driving and intent, we all know the risks and they are pretty straight forward. I suppose the "banger" sprayin