Gun law

Lol, love u dude, good night.

WHAT TYRANICAL GOVErNMENT? geez some of you keep talking with absoluetly no concept of truth.

Anyways that constitution argument I pushed was taken wrong, my fault but eh, I'll defend it. People would be willing to change the constitution if it was for the sake of national prosperity without destroying individuals rights. That's all. Why fight for the second amendment, if it is broken? Why fight for the 10th amendment when everyone interprets it differently? Those are rhetorical

I'd rather you pay attention to the question how is our government so tyranical. and Jojo is right I didn't mention personal choices. But its because it is irrevelant. A good example is "The Affordable Care Act" (Obamacare), it supports your point. A federal insurance mandate?! Right that is a bad example. I do like the terms of it, but having cheaper healthcare still dependant on money grubbing insurance companies stil

I'd say that if a state can be created/divided, two could possibly be merged, although the economic and strategic costs would be impractical.

Anythings possible

i tried to stay away from this topic but what the hell. i'm drunk and pissed off so here goes. you want to talk about gun control and what have you. get rid of the drugs and crap from the streets then i'll listen. you have the distinct honor to hear this from someone who has fought to defend your freedoms. i killed, bleed, and saw others die so you can have your precious freedoms. but sadly, you're like most non combatants. you always gotta gripe about something. wait till your ass is in harms way. you'll be glad that person used his/her gun to save you. i've seen this before. you're no different. hardest part is you have to admit you're just afraid.

I;m drunk too! YAH 26, what a minute that sux. You served your country? When did you defend my freedoms? Why did you kill? Why did others have to die? Because they told you? They tolf you you were doing something great. When did anyone declare war on us?

When extremists flew aircraft into the World Trade Center. Remember that Drew? If anything is a declaration of war, that was.

Crafty, who made them angry enough to fly planes into buildings?

America and Israel, who single-handedly have pissed off the entire Arab world. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

If anything, America declared war first.

(And I'm not being insensitive. Just looking at it from a lateral point of view)

Dont equate Al Queda to Israel. Or to Afghanistan, or Pakistan or anywhere in fact. It was a declaration of war from an extremist wing of a religious quasi political clan who took it upon their shoulders to do such without democratic or, if you prefer, popular, opinion.

Or was it.....? (the truth is out there...)

I'm with crafty and krash

definitely

These terrorist groups ( barring the conspiracy stuff ) have been waging war agasint us for a long time. I read the history of all of it, and it goes back really far. I know where Krash is coming from. People go and fight wars while we sit on the couch and complain about Gas prices and our tea getting hot. Or getting cold if you live in the UK. We have it made now, but one day war will find its way here to our backyards.

@Tom Morgan

"And I'm not being insensitive." Why??..because you say your not.
"Just looking at it from a lateral point of view" Really, what's your lateral point of view?
"Every action has an equal and opposite reaction." In physics that's a true story.
The "entire Arab world" was not involved in the attack, Al Queda was.
And finally, the guy who "made them angry enough to fly planes into buildings", has left the planet.

Over three thousand people died that day Tom. Those people had very little to do with middle eastern politics.

I think your post is not only insensitive, it's offensive to normal sensibilities.

"America and Israel, who single-handedly have pissed off the entire Arab world."

Go back to the creation of Israel, you can practically reach back and touch it. Consider the history of armed conflict between Israel and

the US made some poor foriegn policy decisions in the middle east (probably nothing to deserve such brutal idiotic mad attacks on civillians) but o well now we are at war and we have to defend ourselves and those extremists aren't exactly reasonable people most of them are ethier morons just believing tons of extremist propoganda or they are power hunger sadists who maintain power by blaming all their problems on the west....I awkniwledge Americas mistakes and I'm angry about them but I still don't understand people who seem to side with essentially evil or confused TERRORISTS who blow up people indiscriminately and cause huge ammounts of destruction and pain I guess its just another mark of our sad society

Regardless of my feelings of Americas policies, your right. Were there now and have to defend ourselves and support our brothers and sisters. I dont support any religion that says killing innocent people will make you a maryter in heaven. And i dont appreciate at all seeing my friends blown up by suicide bombers and idiots. The middle east is just as guilty of propoganda as our own goverment here in the good ole U S of A

If America never had any ties with Isreal, there wouldn't have been 9/11. I said it, you disagree move on. Now what business did England have fighting with Saladin for Juresulum? I will give you the fact that the Muslim world is aggressive at times, and if you view the Indian religious wars between Muslum and Hindi they too are unnecessary. They have equal rights conflicts that i don't support as well with Shiriah Law. But tell me when Muslim's did anything worse then Judio-Christians? In fact they are better in many regards, they never had slaves for example. Willingness to kill over religion is equally bad on both sides. Europe and America also didn't value women as important as a man. The 2 biggest differences are that the Muslim world does a better job not throwing away their believes with social changes, and that the Muslim world has never forced their believes on anyone else. With that said Europe and America savagely attack

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They are simply no worse, where did you ever get the idea people of the Muslim religion never had slaves?

Both the Qur'an and the Hadith have multiple references to slavery.

You are reaching farther and farther Drew, you have your beliefs we have ours, and your powers of persuasion are not up to the task at hand.

I for one would rather not live to see many of the changes you prescribe. I would imagine there are many such as I (however I don't know, don't care about that), so when you get your "strong central government" up you'd best take care of us first thing.

I'm up for the task. I issued an unanswered challenge, you try to quell that challenge, give into the facts I propose, or simply ignore my unpatriotic arse, the choice is yours

Nay Drew, your not up to the task.
Who cares about your unanswered challenge, what ever it was?
Who cares about quelling it?
Who cares about the facts you proposed.

"If America never had any ties with Israel, there wouldn't have been 9/11. I said it, you disagree move on."

That could be a true statement, I couldn't say for sure. I can say for sure that it is a completely irrelevant statement and makes as much sense as saying if America was on another planet there wouldn't have been 9/11.

"you disagree move on." Your unpolished arrogance is showing.

"Europe and America also didn't value women as important as a man. The 2 biggest differences are that the Muslim world does a better job not throwing away their believes with social changes, and that the Muslim world has never forced their believes on anyone else."

Another irrelevant statement. You can march a brass

If this was facebook i'd like ricks post just cus i can.

sorry i don't feel like correcting my spelling it might be frustrating, sheer lazinesss.

Anyways yes, holding on to your believes is an admirable trait, I wouldn't put it above progress, and personal respect. In regards to religion however if it is the word of the creator and your job as a human is to serve him, it doesn't matter what you think. I say that with a bit of skepticism against myself as I've been religious. But how is it that one can partake in a religious fued if you defend a religion that has been altered, well not altered but the values have been weighted against social acceptance. This is a very confusing topic.

I am up to the task though, if you just argue that my logic is flawed but don't explain certain parts, those parts are still unchallenged "You can march a brass band through that type of reasoning"

I will say this, we weren't attacked because they enjoy civil rights viol

Rivalary? Is this a contest now to see who uses bigger words or keeps typing the longest. I just plain dont like you. I thought i could had being i thought you may smoke green but now i just want to see down. Immature maybe, but i dont give a damn. But yes, i still agree with my original feelings towrds that subject.

i'm stubborn and hate to lose, what can i tell ya. All i wanted was you to apoligize to the gays for deciding how they're brain worked. Since you won't do that I think your a horrible excuse for a person. I wouldn't worry about that at all, in regards to the board as i'll never let personal opinion deter me from opinion on a subject.

You just pretty much admitted what i was accusing you of in the other post. Your childish and hate to be prooven wrong. In other words, hate to loose. Your a little spoiled brat. Instead of dropping it like i insisted on doing you wanted to keep going. My advice to you, grow the hell up. Simple as that.

I wont apolojize just to make you feel like you won you little baby. How old are you anyway? You must be spoiled as hell to think you get your way in life always. Life dont work like that lil boy.

@ krash: Thank you for your service; some of us really appreciate it. As a kid, i saw our guys coming home from the Nam ( i had a few uncles over there too), and how they were treated in many cases, and I knew even then that it wasn't right, what people were doing. Lo, how soon some forget. Thanks again.
@ Drew: What I wrote was not nonsense, but satire and hyperbole, to illustrate a point. I'm not surprised you didn't get it. Keep trying.
kudos to rick and kasper. And crafty, you seem pretty reasonable, for a lobster
Now for the other barrel: All you America-bashers can smooch my nether regions. We may have problems, and in fact we do, but I refuse to lie down and take it when others are claiming